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[bossram]

cam charron was throwing shade on the signing from day one and it's hard to think of anyone with a more informed opinion about mikheyev specifically

When the guy who worked for the Leafs is publicly saying that....yeah.

don't disagree, but the premise would be to lock suter up asap so he does still continue to provide surplus past next year, vs waiting for him to play a full season on the top line and then price himself out of being retained here, or getting a contract where he certainly isn't providing surplus.

absolutely, taking another team's "mikheyev" is how organizations hollow out. but when there's a strong fit, sometimes you should make a bet on the "hyman" (just examples, not saying suter is on either end)

I mean, I would re-sign Suter if the cap hit was very friendly. Will it be? Would he take a Jarnkrok deal ($2M x 3-4 years)? Then I would lock that in. But if the AAV is $3M+, approaching $4M, then I don't really think you're getting surplus value on that.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Yep. Expecting Mik to be a top-six player was always going to be a disappointment. He's the kind of guy you bring in and pay to be a 3rd liner.

Yup. Watching the Leafs, you could see guys like Hyman and Bunting had talent. They can stickhandle, deke and get to the front of the net and anticipate where the puck will be for those greasy goals. Those are players to take chances on.

Guys like Kasperi Kapanen or Ilya Mikheyev were just straight-lined skaters with no offensive vision. Both guys had ample opportunities with the Leafs but it was evident they both lacked any capability to handle a puck for a sustained period.

I think Allvin and JR were overwhelmed by the lack of team speed and awful PK and rushed to address this with a faster straight lined player who could kill penalties.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I dislike the guy but would the Pens do a Smith for Mikheyev swap?

Salaries are close but Smith only has one year left.

Hopefully Dubas likes Mikheyev from his time in TO.

 

[credulous]

Yup. Watching the Leafs, you could see guys like Hyman and Bunting had talent. They can stickhandle, deke and get to the front of the net and anticipate where the puck will be for those greasy goals. Those are players to take chances on.

Guys like Kasperi Kapanen or Ilya Mikheyev were just straight-lined skaters with no offensive vision. Both guys had ample opportunities with the Leafs but it was evident they both lacked any capability to handle a puck for a sustained period.

I think Allvin and JR were overwhelmed by the lack of team speed and awful PK and rushed to address this with a faster straight lined player who could kill penalties.

no one will ever convince me that mikheyev and kuzmenko were NOT a package deal

 

[bossram]

I dislike the guy but would the Pens do a Smith for Mikheyev swap?

Salaries are close but Smith only has one year left.

Hopefully Dubas likes Mikheyev from his time in TO.

Well, Dubas let him go because he didn't want to pay him.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Well, Dubas let him go because he didn't want to pay him.

He was also counting his pennies with the Leafs given their make-up.

Would save the Pens $250k.

 

[bossram]

He was also counting his pennies with the Leafs given their make-up.

Would save the Pens $250k.

He's counting his pennies with PIT now.

It does save them $250K, but Dubas had basically no interest in keeping him in Toronto, so I don't think he really wants Mik in PIT.

 

[credulous]

cam charron called mikheyev a terrible signing and he worked for the leafs when they had the opportunity to resign him and was hired by pittsburgh basically instantly when dubas joined as president. i doubt they have any interest

 

[sting101]

Facts are that the players made available every year are rarely the ones teams think "we need to keep this guy." And the UFAs available are usually because the team they were on said "were not paying you that much and for that long"

Mikhayev if he built or sustained what he had done in TO would have been a decent acquisition to make us a faster team and better defensively. Torn ACL in the first month of his tenure pretty much drove a nail into this ever working out favourably.

Sucks that his doctor took the ligaments from his wrists and hands to rebuild his knee.

He's broken it wasn't a complete pro scouting fail this is not nearly the same player of 2022 and maybe that was a bad gamble even given his 2yrs prior but it could have worked in some fashion if he was even a good 3rd liner which at this stage isn't even a spot he works.

Gonna be really interesting how they address this going forward. I think we just buy him out

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If this was true they'd have done it already.

Unfortunately, I don't think they actually want to move Mikheyev, which is part of the problem. I hope they've come to realize it has to be done even if that means giving up an asset. We simply don't have the cap space to improve our scoring depth when an offensive black hole is eating nearly 5M of it. At least not if we're also bringing back Joshua, Zadorov and maybe Hronek.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Kings may make some big changes

Kempe would be a perfect fit.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

If we go the route of resigning Zaddy and trade Hroneks RFA rights could someone give me an example of value Hronek would hold?

 

[credulous]

If we go the route of resigning Zaddy and trade Hroneks RFA rights could someone give me an example of value Hronek would hold?

who knows? if he's traded it's probably because he's being hardheaded about his contract demands which probably means his value drops a lot

 

[Vector]

If we go the route of resigning Zaddy and trade Hroneks RFA rights could someone give me an example of value Hronek would hold?

I went through every recent trade and focused on RFA defencemen traded in the off-season. I found two comparables and they aren't perfect. It would be pretty uncharted territory.

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Nikita Zadorov (Chi) for a 2022 3rd

He was 26 years old and an unsigned RFA. However, he was considered a journeyman and was joining his 4th NHL team. Was far more tools than toolbox at the time with inconsistent offensive production.

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Devon Toews (NYI) for 2021 2nd & 2022 2nd

Also 26 years old and an unsigned RFA. I believe he would have been UFA the following season but am not entirely sure. He only had two seasons in the NHL at the time of the trade. Didn't breakout until after the trade.

 

[LemonSauceD]

If we go the route of resigning Zaddy and trade Hroneks RFA rights could someone give me an example of value Hronek would hold?

O Reilly went for Zadorov at the time recent 1st rounder, JT Compher (recent 2nd rounder), and another 2nd round pick.
Hamilton went for a 1st and 2 2nds.
Trouba went for Pionk (top 4 defenseman) and a 1st
Kyle Turris for Ryan Johansen
Toews for 2 2nds

I expect at least a 1st + 2nd round pick or equivalent.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

We won the Lindholm trade. They released the center piece of the trade Jurmo.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

The expectation with Mikheyev is that he should have more of his speed back next season, as it just takes time to recover from ACL surgery.

But given the stone hands and needing to sign others - a buyout seems likely.

 

[LemonSauceD]

We won the Lindholm trade. They released the center piece of the trade Jurmo.

In Morin’s case, they’re probably just letting him enter the off season since he’s junior aged.

Jurmo… yeah he’s not getting a contract. He’s done in North America. A bag of pucks would’ve been worth more in a trade than him.

 

[Hansen]

In Morin’s case, they’re probably just letting him enter the off season since he’s junior aged.

Jurmo… yeah he’s not getting a contract. He’s done in North America. A bag of pucks would’ve been worth more in a trade than him.

They already signed him to a two year deal lol 850k/2way

 

[Baby Pettersson]

We won the Lindholm trade. They released the center piece of the trade Jurmo.

I thought that was huge piece/real good prospect according to some Flames fans lmao.

 

[timw33]

They already signed him to a two year deal lol 850k/2way

A contract that doesnt even start until next year.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

If we go the route of resigning Zaddy and trade Hroneks RFA rights could someone give me an example of value Hronek would hold?

Dream scenario would be something similar to the Travis Hamonic trade to the Flames. Hamonic was 27 years old at the time, and went for a 1st and 2x 2nd, but he does have 2 more years on his contract at roughly 6% cap. Hamonic also requested the trade and specifically to "Western Canada" if I remember correctly, so he wasn't available for all teams. If Hronek wants and gets $8m with the cap at $87m next season, that is 9.2% cap (this percentage will likely decrease as the cap goes up).

The salary demands likely drives Hronek's trade value down comparing to Hamonic. The existing contract also gives Hamonic more value. However, Hronek hasn't demanded a trade and he can be moved to any team so that likely drives his value back up. I hope we can get a 1st, a 2nd and a minor sweetener if we ended up traded Hronek.

*just realize, that 1st the Islander got from the Hamonic trade ended up being Dobson!

 

[arttk]

I thought that was huge piece/real good prospect according to some Flames fans lmao.

good for Jurmo

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Apparently Utah Usurpers want a Top 4 dman.

Trade them Hronek.

 

[Vector]

Apparently Utah Usurpers want a Top 4 dman.

Considering they don't have any defencemen signed and only Durzi and Moser would qualify as top-4 guys, it's an obvious need for them.