Canucks Mid Season Prospect Rankings #2

Braeden

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1. Ben Hutton - 27.21%
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Owns a very projectable frame and good mobility for his size from the defense position. Is capable of producing offense, too, since he is a good passer and puck mover. Needs to continue to work on his play without the puck and overall defensive-zone coverage in order to thrive at the NHL level over the long haul.
 

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McCann looks like a slam dunk to be a 20 goal scorer every season, maybe even starting next season.
 

Cquant

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By raw potential.. It'd have to be Virt. But between Boeser, Virt and McCann it's pretty close.
 

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Boeser or Subban for me, probably the latter. I think McCann's strong goal-scoring start coloured a lot of people's perceptions of him. There are significant holes to his game that concern me (and did ever since before the draft).

Subban is IMO not getting enough credit because he has had some struggles defensively in the AHL but his ability to control the game and create offense is just too damn valuable. There are currently 0 rookie defensemen in the AHL that can produce offense and shots at the rate that Subban can. He's the same age as DeAngelo but having a better season. He's a year younger than Pouliot and having an equivalent year offensively. And that's the guy that people wanted to center the Hamhuis trade around, picked #8 overall.

He's matching guys like Ville Pokka and Julius Honka despite them having a year of AHL experience on him. Given his work ethic and natural skill, I don't think it's out of the question for him to develop into an Enstrom type of defensemen.

Might always leave you wanting more by the defensive eye test but his ability to transition the game will lead to strong defensive numbers anyway.
 
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M2Beezy

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1) Boeser
2) Shinkaruk
3) McCann
4) Hutton
5) Demko
6) Pedan
7) Gaunce
8) Virtanen
9) Subban
10) Gaudette
11) Brisbois
12) Rodin
13) Cassels
14) Tryamkin
15) Zawelski
16) Neil
17) Kenins
18) Grenier
19) Olson
20) Jasek
 

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Subban is IMO not getting enough credit because he has had some struggles defensively in the AHL but his ability to control the game and create offense is just too damn valuable. There are currently 0 rookie defensemen in the AHL that can produce offense and shots at the rate that Subban can. He's the same age as DeAngelo but having a better season. He's a year younger than Pouliot and having an equivalent year offensively. And that's the guy that people wanted to center the Hamhuis trade around, picked #8 overall.

He's matching guys like Ville Pokka and Julius Honka despite them having a year of AHL experience on him. Given his work ethic and natural skill, I don't think it's out of the question for him to develop into an Enstrom type of defensemen.

Might always leave you wanting more by the defensive eye test but his ability to transition the game will lead to strong defensive numbers anyway.

:yo:

Hutton showing well on the big club and Subban in the minors is a real boon for the team. Pedan is also someone I'm excited about. That gives some hope going forward imo.
 
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iceburg

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Shinkaruk based on where they are today - he's an AHL allstar. Toss up though between him and McCann. If McCann was a year older he'd be in Utica right now 'baking' like Shinkaruk and Gaunce....so would Virtanen. Boeser appears to have huge upside but let's see what he does over a year or two. Right now...for me it's

Shinkaruk/McCann
Virtanen
Boeser

Wouldn't be too surprised if Boeser ended up being better than all of them.
 

iceburg

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Subban is on pace for the 8th most points all time for a 20 year old AHL defender. He'll tie the one and only Yannick Weber with 44 points if he continues at this rate. "Notable" ex-Canucks Marc-Andre Gragnani and Adam Clendening are 3rd and 7th on that list. Number one is Jordan's big brother.

http://www.quanthockey.com/ahl/en/player-age/20-year-old-ahl-defensemen.html

He's been on a 0.8 ppg pace the last 20 games. If he keeps that up he'll end up with close to 50 (6th on your list and only 3 behind his brother :nod: )
 

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Subban is on pace for the 8th most points all time for a 20 year old AHL defender. He'll tie the one and only Yannick Weber with 44 points if he continues at this rate. "Notable" ex-Canucks Marc-Andre Gragnani and Adam Clendening are 3rd and 7th on that list. Number one is Jordan's big brother.

http://www.quanthockey.com/ahl/en/player-age/20-year-old-ahl-defensemen.html

if i were to rank the defensive corp, it would prob be like

Tryamkin "too tall"
Pedan
Subban
Brisbebois
Carl Neil - while i do not like his defensive game at all, i think he'll find his way into NHL like Kevin Connauton. great with the puck, worse than Sbisa without
 

Braeden

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Lol. Nobody paying attention to Thatcher Demko tearing it up this year?
 

Tiranis

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Lol. Nobody paying attention to Thatcher Demko tearing it up this year?

Goalies are unpredictable in terms of development and it's his 3rd year in college. If he was doing this in his freshman season then he would be #1 without a doubt. I mean, he's probably not even the top college goalie this year as that distinction probably goes to Cam Johnson, who's basically a rookie (although a year older).
 

Tiranis

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Subban is on pace for the 8th most points all time for a 20 year old AHL defender. He'll tie the one and only Yannick Weber with 44 points if he continues at this rate. "Notable" ex-Canucks Marc-Andre Gragnani and Adam Clendening are 3rd and 7th on that list. Number one is Jordan's big brother.

http://www.quanthockey.com/ahl/en/player-age/20-year-old-ahl-defensemen.html

Important to note that Weber produced 66% of his points on the PP where Subban only has 45% on the PP. Certainly matches what we've seen from Weber. (PK, by comparison, was at about 32%.)
 

FroshaugFan2

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Important to note that Weber produced 66% of his points on the PP where Subban only has 45% on the PP. Certainly matches what we've seen from Weber. (PK, by comparison, was at about 32%.)

Interesting. I probably would have assumed most of Jordan's production was on the powerplay as well.

Also why the **** did Montreal leave PK in the AHL for practically the whole season?
 

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1) Boeser
2) Shinkaruk
3) McCann
4) Hutton
5) Demko
6) Pedan
7) Gaunce
8) Virtanen
9) Subban
10) Gaudette
11) Brisbois
12) Rodin
13) Cassels
14) Tryamkin
15) Zawelski
16) Neil
17) Kenins
18) Grenier
19) Olson
20) Jasek

You're going to be disappointed. Quite high for Shinkaruk compared to others.
 

Icebreakers

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Boeser should be #1. Projecting who should be the best in their prime and likely hood to reach it. Hutton at Boesers age went undrafted. Now he should get the credit of his growth , but what Boeser is doing as a Freshman is special and its him until he shows otherwise imo.
 

Scurr

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Boeser should be #1. Projecting who should be the best in their prime and likely hood to reach it. Hutton at Boesers age went undrafted. Now he should get the credit of his growth , but what Boeser is doing as a Freshman is special and its him until he shows otherwise imo.

Why wouldn't that same line of thinking lead to Subban getting more votes? He plays the more important position and PMD are probably the rarest commodity in hockey.
 

Icebreakers

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Why wouldn't that same line of thinking lead to Subban getting more votes? He plays the more important position and PMD are probably the rarest commodity in hockey.

Subban is small and isnt sound defensively. You cannot be a top 4 NHL dman if you are a liability in your own zone. I dont value a pp specialist which is what he is basically projecting as of now to be our top prospect or even in our top 5.
 

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