Jimson Hogarth*
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Now that's a bet Id be willing to take- who has a better career- McCann or Hodgson...
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I remember the media and some posters were ragging on Gillis for claiming he'd pumped up Hodgson's fires with 'protected minues' in order to increase his trade value...obviously worked....and flipping him for Kassian at the time was a decent gamble, which unfortunately didn't work....but all the ink and hand-wringing that went on with this deal, which turned into a big dud for both teams.
I am comparing how they were viewed as prospect not better career.
Not many Canucks prospects were as highly touted as Cody was. Unfortunately he turned into a dud.
The scary part is that ownership may have hired incompetent people and THEN decided to be hands off. Hands-off only works when you've got functioning brains in charge, not what Benning is showing thus far.
The thing is that Gillis acknowledged that the drafting was bad and changed things up in 2013, that's the point. They at least admitted they had bad drafting and made some changes, it is too early but the 2013 looked and looks better than any draft Gillis did prior so there was some greenshoots of hope that the changes may have had an impact. Not a spectacular draft necessarily, but that wasn't the point, just that they were in the midst of making improvements when he got canned.
I think the problem with Hodgson was his work ethic. He thought he was great but didn't improve his skating or his defense.
Could be wrong though.
Problem was he wanted to get paid and took all kinds of shortcuts to ensure he got paid.
RandV
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More or less how I see it, he falls into that category with guys like Mike Comrie and Sam Gagner. Some early offensive success, but don't put in the effort or evolve to be effective NHL centers.
In Hodgson's case after making a big fuss about ice time here he got sent to Buffalo and got exactly what he wanted. Got to be the #1 between Vanek & Pominville, put up a near 60 point pace in the lockout season, and earned himself a big bridge contract. Next season was 44 points in 72 games, then followed by 13 points in 78 games.
Problem was when Buffalo traded those two vets Cody got exposed. I've always wondered how he may have turned out had he not made a fuss in Vancouver and spent a couple seasons developing as our #3 C with guys like Higgins & Hansen.
thepuckmonster
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Mostly this but also his physical limitations. He has high hockey IQ but his legs are so short that its near impossible to improve his skating.
But yeah, he got to his own head and instead of taking his lumps like every other prospect is supposed to he wanted to supplant either Henrik or Kesler, which was flat out ridiculous given what the two had accomplished at that point.
mathonwy
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Get serious Hodgson would have been meatgrinded playing Horvats minutes he was sheltered and still whined and oh where is he now ?
It is hilarious that Hodgson cried his way out of town when he would have gotten a great shot at proving himself on a somewhat ok team once Kesler left.
The numbers Hodgson put up in his rookie year are fairly similar to what Sam Reinhart is doing right now. How about Reinhart or McCann?
Using hindsight I would "bet" on McCann over Patrik Stefan for example...doesn't mean McCann was ever a better prospect...
Yeah, i mean come on, you have a Selke winner and a hart winner in front of you. What the **** makes you think you can play ahead of those 2?
But then if he had paid his dues, based on his physical limitations, he might never have gotten paid as much.
Anyway it's weird, don't remember a prospect acting like Hodgson.
Too bad we didn't scout the **** out of prospect parents too.
Not sure Benning is smart enough to not get con by a profession con man that is Hosgsons dad.
Boy I cannot wait until the Season Ticket Holder's open Q+A next year. Should be a true treat and I hope that people bring pre-recorded soundbites from last years event on their phones to play.
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Benning was booed off the podium last year and he's gone on to do just as many stupid things this year.
What makes you think that criticism from the fans will make him change anything?
We'll just get a bunch of non-answers and mumbling like last year and he will go on to make many more boneheaded moves in the 2016-2017 season.
I think the only thing to do is get up there extremely well prepared with all the right information, all of their quotes showing how ****ing idiotic they are, citing advanced stats which they clearly do not use, just straight up calling them on their BS. Ask extremely pointed questions, tell the people asking around for questions that you're going to ask them a muffin and then once you have the mic ask a real question. Maybe something along the lines "Is it true that Jake Virtanen was pre-determined by the Aquilini group, or that a reason he was drafted was that he would be a good marketing piece to help sell tickets to make the ownership money now, versus building the best team for the long term?", "It seems like teams love trading with us because we pay the highest prices (and openly disclose this information), why does it feel like we continue to pay a dollar to get $.75 back?". "How can you excuse trading a 2nd round pick for Linden Vey?" "You said Clendening was further along in his development—he's now a scratch/AHL player for the team he was traded to—why did we trade Gustav Forsling for 2 months of a mediocre player?" "[Anything calling him out on Sbisa, Miller, Prust, Dorsett, Sutter]"
AwesomeInTheory
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I sincerely doubt that they'll hold these open mic Q&As for very long or if they do, they'll screen the hell out of it.
That's why you say you're going to ask them how Lord Benning was able to get such an amazing goaltender in Ryan Miller and an incredible SO-specialist in Linden Vey for *only* a 2nd round pick.
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Until somebody, Bo and Kass included, can manage to put up 16G, 15G (pro-rated 26), and 20G we have no right to say we came close to winning that trade.
Hodgson had many issues but it's interesting to see the narrative around here that he was a bust prospect when he produced what he produced.
Hodgson had many issues but it's interesting to see the narrative around here that he was a bust prospect when he produced what he produced.
Bleach Clean
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EDM's most publicized target was Talbot. But as you see with the Willis article, Lack was in clear consideration as an alternative. To that end, his eventual trade value was seen as 'cheap', and something the Oilers could clearly afford.
You are incorrectly dismissing _all_ Lack to EDM information as supposition because that deal was not executed. The Talbot to EDM deal was executed instead. This is a mistake. The information at the time regarding _all_ possibilities is pertinent to the discussion.
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