Post-Game Talk: Canucks def. Islanders - 6-5 (Pettersson x2, OEL, Boeser, Aman, Beauvillier)

[God]

re: Lazar, he actually looked pretty decent from October-November, and the Joshua/Aman/Lazar line was buzzing in a few games. But while Aman and Joshua have shown flashes since then, Lazar hasn't, and that's why he's probably forever a 4th liner.

 

[Tables of Stats]

re: Lazar, he actually looked pretty decent from October-November, and the Joshua/Aman/Lazar line was buzzing in a few games. But while Aman and Joshua have shown flashes since then, Lazar hasn't, and that's why he's probably forever a 4th liner.

Realistically you need more than a 6-point pace from even your bottom-line players. Even your Dorsetts, Cracknells, and Etems managed several times his current pace.

 

[God]

Realistically you need more than a 6-point pace from even your bottom-line players. Even your Dorsetts, Cracknells, and Etems managed several times his current pace.

for sure. kinda sad that we gave him 3 years, but 1M AAV isn't that bad.

 

[kanucks25]

Realistically you need more than a 6-point pace from even your bottom-line players. Even your Dorsetts, Cracknells, and Etems managed several times his current pace.

Yeah he has pretty much minimum level skill and IQ at the NHL level. If he can't PK or take faceoffs I don't know if he's even a 12th forward on a contender.

 

[strattonius]

Yeah he has pretty much minimum level skill and IQ at the NHL level. If he can't PK or take faceoffs I don't know if he's even a 12th forward on a contender.

Hes probably not even our 12th fwd, let alone on a contender.

Thing is I liked Lazar early in the season. He was moving his feet and got in on the forecheck better than most our bottom 6 players. But over the last 2 months he's been subpar.

 

[Tables of Stats]

Yeah he has pretty much minimum level skill and IQ at the NHL level. If he can't PK or take faceoffs I don't know if he's even a 12th forward on a contender.

He's not a 12th forward on the 15-16 Canucks, let alone a cup contender.

To put how awful Lazar's scoring ability is Andrew Alberts tallied 7 points in 41 games on the 10-11 Canucks. Volpati was on pace to double his output as was the corpse of Peter Schaefer. He should be an AHL soldier and nothing more.

 

[kanucks25]

He's not a 12th forward on the 15-16 Canucks, let alone a cup contender.

To put how awful Lazar's scoring ability is Andrew Alberts tallied 7 points in 41 games on the 10-11 Canucks. Volpati was on pace to double his output as was the corpse of Peter Schaefer. He should be an AHL soldier and nothing more.

This year for sure. But he was decent last year on the Bruins, not great, but AFAIK Bruins fans were not unhappy with him as a 4th liner and that's a better team.

 

[Tables of Stats]

This year for sure. But he was decent last year on the Bruins, not great, but AFAIK Bruins fans were not unhappy with him as a 4th liner and that's a better team.

That was basically his career year though, his average isn't as bad as he's been this season but still not somebody who brings enough to be more than a 13th forward type.

 

[kanucks25]

That was basically his career year though, his average isn't as bad as he's been this season but still not somebody who brings enough to be more than a 13th forward type.

True. Oh well, can use him as 13th or bury the contract if need be.

 

[heatedskates]

Sorokin blew chunks tonight compared to his normal play.

Yeah he was really off his game, and it was obvious early. Shocked Lambert didn't pull him after the 2nd goal honestly. But good on the Canucks for taking advantage of it.

 

[tantalum]

Hot take. Was Horvat the bad blood?

Half sarcasm but the team is jelling... Even if we still are losing. But they are clearly on the up trend.

Let me speculate....

I think we know there is/was a divide in the room. The media stance was always (and still is) that Horvat was part of a solution to that. However, the other way to look at such a situation if it exists is that you have a room full of professionals and it may not matter which part of the divide you decide to go with. You just need to deal with the divide in and of itself. (note this doesn't mean Horvat is a bad egg or bad leader etc. Just that the chips fell the way they did).

 

[Bgav]

Lazar is a morale guy

 

[1440]

He's not a 12th forward on the 15-16 Canucks, let alone a cup contender.

To put how awful Lazar's scoring ability is Andrew Alberts tallied 7 points in 41 games on the 10-11 Canucks. Volpati was on pace to double his output as was the corpse of Peter Schaefer. He should be an AHL soldier and nothing more.

To be fair to him, he is shooting under 4% right now, which is a little over half of his career mark, plus he is at 6% on ice shooting percentage. He is due for an uptick in points based on regression in those areas.

That said, Nils Aman has clearly shown to be the better player this year.

 

[gringo]

Defend like shit, out score their problems.

Sounds like a winning formula to me!

tough on the walls, tough on the boards, tough in front of our net, tough in front of their net, you don’t fight for pucks you sit.

Love it! Moaaaaarrrrr!

 

[gringo]

To be fair to him, he is shooting under 4% right now, which is a little over half of his career mark, plus he is at 6% on ice shooting percentage. He is due for an uptick in points based on regression in those areas.

That said, Nils Aman has clearly shown to be the better player this year.

That plat where Bruce had Lazar out in the last minute only to f*** up a perfect passing play and slam the puck into the goalies pad wil forever ruin Lazar in the eyes of most canucks fans. The guy doesn’t have what it takes to be an every day NHL player, doesn’t score enough or hit enough.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

tough on the walls, tough on the boards, tough in front of our net, tough in front of their net, you don’t fight for pucks you sit.

Love it! Moaaaaarrrrr!

Heheh

 

[theguardianII]

Lots of goals.
A win.
But still a problem.
Same problem as before
Still need to score 5 or more to win.

A really good win for a back to back game though.
Lots of teams on the cusp got a good look at a few possible trade assets.

Scoring is still good on the Canucks where many teams are looking for additional scoring.

Bottom six starting to look more impactful.
How is it this Di Giuseppe hasn't been seen more? He is certainly making himself look like he can stick with a NHL team.

Win one lose two.

 

[Hit the post]

for sure. kinda sad that we gave him 3 years, but 1M AAV isn't that bad.

Yeah the cap hit can be pretty much fully buried in Abby but to give a guy like that term?

 

[God]

Yeah the cap hit can be pretty much fully buried in Abby but to give a guy like that term?

I think we all generally agreed that the length of the deal made it so that if you hit it out of the park with that player, you have cost control, and if you don't, it's not a big deal to bury in the minors. Was always a risk.

 

[MS]

Lazar is a morale guy

For sure - I think that's part of why he was acquired, because he has a reputation as a terrific glue guy in the dressing room who everyone likes. And that definitely has value on a team that's been this much of a mess.

But at some point you actually have to play well.

To be fair to him, he is shooting under 4% right now, which is a little over half of his career mark, plus he is at 6% on ice shooting percentage. He is due for an uptick in points based on regression in those areas.

That said, Nils Aman has clearly shown to be the better player this year.

Sometimes shooting percentage isn't luck, and is just a function of bad play. Lazar looks like Tanner Glass out there - just generates absolutely nothing, doesn't get scoring chances, and nothing in his play so far this season deserves to shoot at a higher percentage.