Canucks Biggest Draft Booms and Busts since 2000

[Hit the post]

i don't think juolevi will be in a nucks uniform for much longer.. either he gets packaged alongside somebody or traded for a draft pick.

You’re going to get very little for him at this point. Might as well keep him vs dealing him for a late round pick or another team’s failed prospect. He adds little to any package imho.

 

[Dr Black]

Going through these Canuck picks
2013 Hunter Shinkaruk 24th
2012 Brendan Gaunce 26th
2011 Nicolas Jensen 29th
2009 Jordan Schroeder 22nd
2007 Patrick White 25th

All busts! I realize that late first-round picks are a 50/50 coin toss. It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys.

 

[F A N]

Going through these Canuck picks
2013 Hunter Shinkaruk 24th
2012 Brendan Gaunce 26th
2011 Nicolas Jensen 29th
2009 Jordan Schroeder 22nd
2007 Patrick White 25th

All busts! I realize that late first-round picks are a 50/50 coin toss. It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys.

To be fair we struck gold in 2004 with Schneider.

 

[VanJack]

Going through these Canuck picks
2013 Hunter Shinkaruk 24th
2012 Brendan Gaunce 26th
2011 Nicolas Jensen 29th
2009 Jordan Schroeder 22nd
2007 Patrick White 25th

All busts! I realize that late first-round picks are a 50/50 coin toss. It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys.

Is think you nailed it with your assessment of later picks in the first round. They usually end up in the 20-30 range because either they were sliding in their draft year; or in the scouts opinion, there were areas of their game like size, skating or hockey sense that created question marks.

And it seems more often than not, they simply plateau and top out as journeyman or AHL-NHL 'tweeners'. But if you do your homework you can hit 'gold' in the back half of the first round. You mention Cory Schneider. But Ryan Kesler and Brock Boeser are also living proof of that.

And the Bruins are more than happy with David Pastrnak, who was drafted in 2014 at #25, one pick after the Canucks picked Jared McCann.

 

[Hit the post]

Is think you nailed it with your assessment of later picks in the first round. They usually end up in the 20-30 range because either they were sliding in their draft year; or in the scouts opinion, there were areas of their game like size, skating or hockey sense that created question marks.

And it seems more often than not, they simply plateau and top out as journeyman or AHL-NHL 'tweeners'. But if you do your homework you can hit 'gold' in the back half of the first round. You mention Cory Schneider. But Ryan Kesler and Brock Boeser are also living proof of that.

And the Bruins are more than happy with David Pastrnak, who was drafted in 2014 at #25, one pick after the Canucks picked Jared McCann.

2003 draft class was pretty deep. It actually took some skill to miss out on a NHLer that year & round.
Boeser seems to have hit a bit of a rut (can't stay healthy and he doesn't do much on the ice except score goals; Jake Virtanen would still be a capable bottom six winger if he didn't score any goals). I wouldn't call him a gold payout until that somehow corrects itself.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

2003 draft class was pretty deep. It actually took some skill to miss out on a NHLer that year & round.

stop hurting tambo’s feelings

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Didn't realize that the defenseman picked before Bourdon that draft year was a dud as well (Brian Lee).

Come on... don’t you think calling Bourdon a dud is a tad harsh?

 

[Hit the post]

Come on... don’t you think calling Bourdon a dud is a tad harsh?

I was having a bad day.

 

[Kryten]

I mean I'd have to think video game addiction or not, the injuries are the main reason for Juolevi's very slow progression. Having said that, I could actually seem some merit to this. Marek specified that it was a prominent team and you know it was a top pick playing in the OHL. Things that make you go hmm..

I’m not convinced injuries have kept him from an upwards trajectory. From the very small viewings I’ve seen and reading Utica posters comments he hasn’t actually gotten any better on D or any less scared of contact.

 

[Hit the post]

I’m not convinced injuries have kept him from an upwards trajectory. From the very small viewings I’ve seen and reading Utica posters comments he hasn’t actually gotten any better on D or any less scared of contact.

Frustrating part is that he does have offensive skill. Probably playing very passive (afraid to get hurt again).

 

[Fedz]

I’m not convinced injuries have kept him from an upwards trajectory. From the very small viewings I’ve seen and reading Utica posters comments he hasn’t actually gotten any better on D or any less scared of contact.

Respectfully, I feel your two sentences are contradictory.

Juolevi has had multiple injuries and has undoubtedly played below 100% in many of his professional games. You mention that is widely believe he plays scared. Is there a chance that has something to do with the multiple injuries and playing well below 100%?

Even if you are 100% after returning from a major injury, especially one that requires surgery, the mental aspect is very difficult to escape. I'm confident it's something both Utica and Vancouver's staff has noticed and has worked with him on and if they haven't that is even more concerning.

I'm not suggesting his injuries are the sole reason for his (so far) downfall...I'd argue his footwork was never elite and he got by with intelligence at a young age. He has always struggled to play with pace. Injuries have certainly hindered his ability to take strides with his footwork which he needed to do either way coming out of Junior.

 

[lawrence]

Going through these Canuck picks
2013 Hunter Shinkaruk 24th
2012 Brendan Gaunce 26th
2011 Nicolas Jensen 29th
2009 Jordan Schroeder 22nd
2007 Patrick White 25th

All busts! I realize that late first-round picks are a 50/50 coin toss. It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys.

painful too look at. Not even one of them retained a full time NHL job even as a role player on a 4th line. Put

To be fair we struck gold in 2004 with Schneider.

that was 16 years ago.

 

[Kryten]

Frustrating part is that he does have offensive skill. Probably playing very passive (afraid to get hurt again).

Wonder if he could transition to a winger. He’s still within the 3-5 year project that I guessed when drafted though

 

[F A N]

that was 16 years ago.

Did you see what I was responding to? Dr. Black said "It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys." One of those guys he was referring to was Patrick White. Schneider was drafted one year prior.

Edit. My mistake. Schneider was in 2004 but my point still stands.

 

[Kryten]

Did you see what I was responding to? Dr. Black said "It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys." One of those guys he was referring to was Patrick White. Schneider was drafted one year prior.

2004 was not one year prior to 2007 friend

 

[Didalee Hed]

2004 was not one year prior to 2007 friend

Facts and whatnot

 

[Didalee Hed]

Did you see what I was responding to? Dr. Black said "It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys." One of those guys he was referring to was Patrick White. Schneider was drafted one year prior.

2004 was not one year prior to 2007 friend

 

[Kryten]

Facts and whatnot

 

[F A N]

2004 was not one year prior to 2007 friend

Late night brain fart. My point still stands though. Nonis had 4 drafts. One of his late first he drafted Schneider. The other he drafted White.

 

[Kryten]

Late night brain fart. My point still stands though. Nonis had 4 drafts. One of his late first he drafted Schneider. The other he drafted White.

Not sure where Nonis came up. We struck gold with late 1sts in 2003 with Kesler in a near impossible to miss draft, 2004 Schneider, and 2015 with Boeser. I think those are our only golds found with late 1sts in our 50 year history? Go team

 

[EpochLink]

Going through these Canuck picks
2013 Hunter Shinkaruk 24th
2012 Brendan Gaunce 26th
2011 Nicolas Jensen 29th
2009 Jordan Schroeder 22nd
2007 Patrick White 25th

All busts! I realize that late first-round picks are a 50/50 coin toss. It would have been nice to strike gold with at least ONE of these 5 guys.

I had high hopes for Shinkaruk, Jensen and Schroeder when they were drafted.

Shit out of luck, they all became busts.

 

[Kryten]

Fun fact. We have had a total of 31 top 10 draft picks, 6 in the last 7 years. Our expansion cousin Sabres have had 18 with 7 in the last 7 years.

Note: some were from trades, I’m too lazy to look those numbers up

 

[ProstheticConscience]

So I'm the only one who remembers that Shinkaruk was a perfectly good prospect until double hip surgery ruined him then, am I? K...

 

[Peter10]

Wasn't the biggest bust, but Hunter Shinkaruk...The Canucks unloaded him after only 2 years..Always seemed rather odd to dispatch a 1st round player (even though it was late in the 1st) so quickly after being drafted.

No agenda at all...

Shinkaruk a late first rounder (15 NHL games), dealt by the next GM = bigger bust than 5th overall Juolevi, handpicked by Benning, hasnt played a single NHL game at 4 year post his draft.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

No agenda at all...

Shinkaruk a late first rounder (15 NHL games), dealt by the next GM = bigger bust than 5th overall Juolevi, handpicked by Benning, hasnt played a single NHL game at 4 year post his draft.

Hilarious....If I really wanted to bash Gillis' drafting I would have brought up 'all' of his first round busts...Get a grip.

The reason I brought up Shinkaruk is because its not common to see a 1st rounder 'traded' after only 2 years into his development...Most teams have a bit more patience with their higher picks..Almost looked like 'buyers remorse' from the get go..