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LakeLivin

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Interesting, so it's actually upwards of 5 years in jail for forging the cards because of the governmental seals.

That's on the criminal side. I wonder if at some point we might see civil cases filed against covid deniers who deliberately misrepresent their status and subsequently transmit the disease to others? You'd think that proving a case might be tough, but winning a civil case only requires a preponderance of the evidence, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
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Anton Dubinchuk

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I have almost certainly lost mine for good. Call me dumb but I didn’t think the flimsy piece of paper signed by a guy sitting at a card table at CVS would be so important to keep track of… :laugh:
 

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That's on the criminal side. I wonder if at some point we might see civil cases filed against covid deniers who deliberately misrepresent their status and subsequently transmit the disease to others? You'd think that proving a case might be tough, but winning a civil case only requires a preponderance of the evidence, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

There is a growing legal precedent surrounding this topic. Knowingly spreading an STD will generally carry legal liability, including in North Carolina where it can carry an assault charge as well as civil penalties. We have already seen numerous cases of people being charged with assault for deliberately coughing on another person or otherwise attempting to spread COVID to them. With the STD precedent, it’s only a matter of time before someone gets sued for failing to take reasonable action (e.g. mask) to contain a COVID infection that they were aware of, thus recklessly causing injury to other people.

The success or failure of that lawsuit will do more to influence people’s behavior than any ordinance.

Real life example of what we are talking about: my former in-laws threw a party in which one of the attendees knowingly showed up after testing positive. That put at least one other person in the hospital and last I heard, still on oxygen. IMO there is no reason that the injured person’s insurance should cover those costs. The company would be fully within its rights to sue the insurance carrier of the spreader, and away we go with liability precedent.
 

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If I was an insurance company, I would do my darnest that the specific Covid liability case I pick to take to the court is as slam dunk as possible. That may be a reason to not take just any random case there that first presents itself.
 

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There is a growing legal precedent surrounding this topic. Knowingly spreading an STD will generally carry legal liability, including in North Carolina where it can carry an assault charge as well as civil penalties. We have already seen numerous cases of people being charged with assault for deliberately coughing on another person or otherwise attempting to spread COVID to them. With the STD precedent, it’s only a matter of time before someone gets sued for failing to take reasonable action (e.g. mask) to contain a COVID infection that they were aware of, thus recklessly causing injury to other people.

The success or failure of that lawsuit will do more to influence people’s behavior than any ordinance.

Real life example of what we are talking about: my former in-laws threw a party in which one of the attendees knowingly showed up after testing positive. That put at least one other person in the hospital and last I heard, still on oxygen. IMO there is no reason that the injured person’s insurance should cover those costs. The company would be fully within its rights to sue the insurance carrier of the spreader, and away we go with liability precedent.
The problem with the STD comparison is that it is much harder to show that you got COVID from "that" person. When positive test results are in the double digits across a large portion of this country, how do you say I got it from any one individual? This country has thrown contract tracing out the window, so a lot of doubt can be generated that any one person is to blame for any one infection.

In a related note, my wife got her COVID booster today.
 

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The problem with the STD comparison is that it is much harder to show that you got COVID from "that" person. When positive test results are in the double digits across a large portion of this country, how do you say I got it from any one individual? This country has thrown contract tracing out the window, so a lot of doubt can be generated that any one person is to blame for any one infection.

In a related note, my wife got her COVID booster today.
Getting my booster on Friday. Congrats to her.
 

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Real life example of what we are talking about: my former in-laws threw a party in which one of the attendees knowingly showed up after testing positive. That put at least one other person in the hospital and last I heard, still on oxygen. IMO there is no reason that the injured person’s insurance should cover those costs. The company would be fully within its rights to sue the insurance carrier of the spreader, and away we go with liability precedent.

This is a good point that I hadn't considered. Insurance companies are excellent at finding the liable party.

If I was an insurance company, I would do my darnest that the specific Covid liability case I pick to take to the court is as slam dunk as possible. That may be a reason to not take just any random case there that first presents itself.

I work in insurance--communicable diseases are subject to some pretty tight exclusions. There is so much gray area. If you have a sidewalk with a hole in it, the "reasonable person" will think you can be liable if someone trips. But who is responsible for the spread of a disease? In tarheel's example, is it the former in-laws for not checking their guests' vaccination cards or the person who attended? It is not as airtight as some might think. For instance, if one of the people attending the party came on skateboard and left said skateboard around a corner where another attendee tripped over it, the liability typically falls on the homeowner not the owner of the skateboard--because the homeowner is responsible for making sure the property is safe. Lempo is correct in suggesting that there really isn't a precedent at this point, but my guess is no company wants to open the Pandora's box because that company might end up paying more in the long run if Covid (and by extension any communicable disease) becomes a covered peril under general liability and/or workers compensation.
 

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