Confirmed with Link: Canes to Host 2023 Stadium Series Game at Carter-Finley Stadium (2/18/23 vs Washington)

[tarheelhockey]

The 3 hour delay leads me to believe this is bullshit. If we really were working with the league, we would have had that statement ready to go during that press conference.

A delayed tweet is a lot easier to digest than the idea that this is some big conspiracy by the NHL to screw the Canes by delaying an event which is still going to happen anyway, and that Waddell is helping them cover it all up by lying about how they’ve been working with the league on this for months and it’s basically just a financial decision by the team.

 

[Svechhammer]

A delayed tweet is a lot easier to digest than the idea that this is some big conspiracy by the NHL to screw the Canes by delaying an event which is still going to happen anyway, and that Waddell is helping them cover it all up by lying about how they’ve been working with the league on this for months and it’s basically just a financial decision by the team.

I never said there was a big conspiracy. In fact, I would actually say its probably the opposite. The NHL made a decision and they f***ed up by not giving us the heads up that the announcement was coming. Maybe we floated the idea that we would be interested in delaying but never confirmed it but the league thought we did. And after the announcement was made, we had to scramble to put out a statement to basically reassure everyone that this was all part of the plan, despite it being a bit of a mess internally.

As I said, the Canes are usually on the ball when it comes to PR. It really does appear from the outside that the announcement last night took them a bit off guard. The fact that some of our insiders were a bit dumbfounded when Bettman made his announcement is just very much unlike us.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I mean, the Minnesota beat writer for the Athletic seems to break more stuff than any of our beat writers period, so that's not exactly shocking they wouldn't be in the know.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Had they been able to say the game will be played in the 22-23 season instead of "in the very near future" most of the brouhaha could have been avoided. However, given that neither Bettman nor Waddell stated a specific time - only the future, perhaps there are details still to be worked out as well as the PR splash element to protect until a more relevant timeframe.

Surely, the City of Raleigh and other pertinent parties, had been made aware of it prior to the announcement? Someone is posting all over Twitter that the city is out $5M in promotional investments, etc.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I never said there was a big conspiracy. In fact, I would actually say its probably the opposite. The NHL made a decision and they f***ed up by not giving us the heads up that the announcement was coming. Maybe we floated the idea that we would be interested in delaying but never confirmed it but the league thought we did. And after the announcement was made, we had to scramble to put out a statement to basically reassure everyone that this was all part of the plan, despite it being a bit of a mess internally.

As I said, the Canes are usually on the ball when it comes to PR. It really does appear from the outside that the announcement last night took them a bit off guard. The fact that some of our insiders were a bit dumbfounded when Bettman made his announcement is just very much unlike us.

There’s a big difference between being taken off guard by the announcement, and being taken off guard by the content of the announcement.

There is absolutely no way that the NHL postponed this event without a clear agreement beforehand. Gary Bettman doesn’t govern by unilateral fiat… there are dozens of contracts in place between the league, the franchise, the facility, and outside partners. Bear in mind the facility is governed by a public/private partnership, which means a whole other layer of bureaucracy permitting the event to go forward under specific conditions. Those contracts don’t disappear just because Bettman says so.

Not to mention we know how Tom Dundon works. If the league tried to **** him without warning, the explosion would be visible from space.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I see the poster that's been polluting our threads with the Raleigh nonsense has gone to the mainboard now, only to be locked after 2 posts.

 

[Svechhammer]

I see the poster that's been polluting our threads with the Raleigh nonsense has gone to the mainboard now, only to be locked after 2 posts.

Lol wait THAT is what this guy was going for in these threads?

What an ahole

 

[DaveG]

Dude's concern trolling. Don't even respond at this point, just report and someone will handle it.

 

[HisIceness]

What a damn shame that an NHL franchise has to play in Albany on steroids. Damn shame I tell ya.

 

[LakeLivin]

What a damn shame that an NHL franchise has to play in Albany on steroids. Damn shame I tell ya.

 

[A Star is Burns]

From Dundo:

Q: What went into the postponing of the outdoor game?
A: “We’ve had talks about that for a long time. If you think about where COVID was and where we were with fans and not having fans or limited fans, all the discussions are do you push to move it one year among the uncertainty or do you allow for flexibility? We were pretty flexible, knowing next year (2022) has some increased risk of not being able to do it right. So we kind of left it in the hands of the league to decide what would be best. But we were open-minded either way. I don’t think there were any bad outcomes there.”

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yesterday evening I was informed that a cruise I had booked for October has been cancelled due to COVID-related factors (I get the impression that something happened with a service provider or perhaps a port of call).

There is a very real likelihood that this winter feels a lot like last winter, unless something really dramatic happens with the vaccination rate. COVID-risky industries are putting their money on the likelihood of another wave.

 

[Svechhammer]

Yesterday evening I was informed that a cruise I had booked for October has been cancelled due to COVID-related factors (I get the impression that something happened with a service provider or perhaps a port of call).

There is a very real likelihood that this winter feels a lot like last winter, unless something really dramatic happens with the vaccination rate. COVID-risky industries are putting their money on the likelihood of another wave.

I think you'll see a lot more companies take a hard look at drawing a line in the sand about the experience they'll allow a fully vaccinated guest to get vs the one that an unvaccinated guest gets. Right now, they are trying to play all nice and free that everyone can enjoy the same benefits because the vaccine rates are high enough, but once things start to ramp up again, I fully expect that invisible wall to get put up between the two. And it'll default to restrictive access unless you can prove you had your shots.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I think you'll see a lot more companies take a hard look at drawing a line in the sand about the experience they'll allow a fully vaccinated guest to get vs the one that an unvaccinated guest gets. Right now, they are trying to play all nice and free that everyone can enjoy the same benefits because the vaccine rates are high enough, but once things start to ramp up again, I fully expect that invisible wall to get put up between the two. And it'll default to restrictive access unless you can prove you had your shots.

I think companies won't do that, because the only real compelling driver is liability. Saying "we encourage our guests to be vaccinated" will probably tick the box for negligence concerns.

This country just isn't up to any kind of real "vaccine passport". Collectively, we don't care enough.

The new variants will continue to spread, but I expect we'll only lock down again if we see a variant that starts killing vaccinated people.

 

[Svechhammer]

I think companies won't do that, because the only real compelling driver is liability. Saying "we encourage our guests to be vaccinated" will probably tick the box for negligence concerns.

This country just isn't up to any kind of real "vaccine passport". Collectively, we don't care enough.

The new variants will continue to spread, but I expect we'll only lock down again if we see a variant that starts killing vaccinated people.

I mean I'm already seeing it happen in practice. My company is asking for proof of vaccination when we go back to the office, and anyone who can't provide is mandated to still follow all 2020 COVID procedures. I'm still on some listsrv's from college, and I saw VT send out some messages this week that they are going to require proof of vaccination from students and staff in order to open up facilities this fall. And speaking of cruising, Royal Caribbean announced this week that they are going to restrict significant portions of their cruise ships to vaccinated passengers, who need to prove their status before boarding.

The mandate won't come from the government, but you'll see it implemented with businesses that cannot afford to have things revert back to the way it was last year. The entertainment industry, of which the NHL is a part of, is included with this. Given that all tickets are now electronic, I would not be surprised if we some kind of validation process announced by Ticketmaster later this year.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The question is, what will constitute proof of vaccination, and how will that proof be validated? I just don't see that being worth the hassle for the vast majority of businesses.

And don't tell me it's the vaccination cards handed out by the CDC that can be forged by anyone with a photocopier, and don't think that people are above doing that for a second.

Also note that Biden has already said that official vaccine passports will not be mandated at the federal level, and 1/3 of the states in the US have already banned them. No large scale business like Ticketmaster is going to build in a mechanism that's explicitly illegal for a big chunk of their customers.

 

[Svechhammer]

The question is, what will constitute proof of vaccination, and how will that proof be validated? I just don't see that being worth the hassle for the vast majority of businesses.

And don't tell me it's the vaccination cards handed out by the CDC that can be forged by anyone with a photocopier, and don't think that people are above doing that for a second.

Its a federal crime to forge it. Get caught and face a 5 figure fine and upwards of 10 months in jail.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Its a federal crime to forge it. Get caught and face a 5 figure fine and upwards of 10 months in jail.

And what red state cop is gonna arrest someone for that offense?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

A good comprehensive sticker on this today from MIT Technology Review: Your guide to what’s happening with vaccine passports in the US

 

[tarheelhockey]

And what red state cop is gonna arrest someone for that offense?

One that respects the fact that his literal job is to enforce the law?

I'm not expecting passports to become a reality, but "the cops will unilaterally refuse to arrest people who forge them" is a pretty horrifying thing to imagine might be a driving factor.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

One that respects the fact that his literal job is to enforce the law?

I'm not expecting passports to become a reality, but "the cops will unilaterally refuse to arrest people who forge them" is a pretty horrifying thing to imagine might be a driving factor.

Numerous Sheriffs in red counties makes claims about not enforcing new gun laws (state or federal) so it's not going to be much of a stretch to envision them ignoring people forging passports.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Numerous Sheriffs in red counties makes claims about not enforcing new gun laws (state or federal) so it's not going to be much of a stretch to envision them ignoring people forging passports.

IMO, those kinds of "stands" are meaningless if not accompanied by a resignation. It's nothing more than a demonstration of corruption.

 

[Lempo]

One that respects the fact that his literal job is to enforce the law?

Is that his actual job, though, or is that only what they tell the sheeple?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Numerous Sheriffs in red counties makes claims about not enforcing new gun laws (state or federal) so it's not going to be much of a stretch to envision them ignoring people forging passports.

I mean, there just won't be passports in red states. Private companies may try to create their own "passports" but they won't be legally binding. They're not even legally binding in California, where they've already passed.

Companies that say "you must prove you're vaccinated to come back to work, or you'll be subject to Protocols!" will then bear the burden, individually, without the force of law, of enforcing those protocols. In some places, that will be an absolute non-issue, but in those cases, people have sense and there wouldn't be any issues in the first place.

I know we want to think that we live in a country that can solve these kinds of problems with government, but the evidence says that we don't.

Get your shot, convince others to get their shot, and hope that anti-vaxxers get herd immunity soon (without spawning too many new variants in the process).

 

[GindyDraws]

So, are we going to host the outdoor game eventually?

NHL: We'll see.

Me: