Proposal: Buyouts (Grabovski)

[calcal798]

Really? Kesler lowest offensive zone starts were in 2007-2008 at 38 and produced 37 points in 80 games. Patrice bergerons lowest offensive zone starts were in 2008-09 at 44 and produced 39 in 64 games. Both well under their career average. This season Fisher is at 37% with 8 points in 23 games, it's a career low and preds fans are calling for his head as well. Do you not see a trend?

Mike Richards had a whopping 44 points last. Travis Zajac has 7 points this year.

Im sure Grabo's not the first center to have some trouble scoring after being put in a new role/signing a new deal.

 

[The Podium]

Mike Richards had a whopping 44 points last. Travis Zajac has 7 points this year.

Im sure Grabo's not the first center to have some trouble scoring after being put in a new role/signing a new deal.

Exactly, interactif is just being stubborn. As any evolutionary biologist will tell you the simplest reason for change is usually the most correct, an improbable coincicidence doesnt happen for the most part.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Really? Kesler lowest offensive zone starts were in 2007-2008 at 38 and produced 37 points in 80 games. Patrice bergerons lowest offensive zone starts were in 2008-09 at 44 and produced 39 in 64 games. Both well under their career average. This season Fisher is at 37% with 8 points in 23 games, it's a career low and preds fans are calling for his head as well. Do you not see a trend?

Let's try to be reasonable when looking at cherry picked stats, Richards, Bergeron and Kesler have proven they can score 70+ points many times over while playing a strong 2 way game, this is Grabo's first year under real NHL coaching where he has had to play defence, The 36 point pace and sporadic defence he has played has been underwhelming, he has not been good this year even taking his 5.5 salary out of the equation, Bozak, Kadri, and Mcclement have all exceeded him in expectations, is this not true, if Grabo was as good as you claim, he wouldn't need the excuse of offensive starts. Those are excuses, Kadri has played with 1 winger this year, a winger that was not good enough for Grabo for some, what has he done. Good players don't need excuses.

 

[calcal798]

Exactly, interactif is just being stubborn. As any evolutionary biologist will tell you the simplest reason for change is usually the most correct, an improbable coincicidence doesnt happen for the most part.

Lol, well put.

Doesn't help that Grabo's has a lack of support on his line offensively (no knock against Kuli, or Mcclement, they're just not high quality).

I've often been thinking of late that maybe its time for Grabo and Bozak to be switched. I know people say that him and Kessel don't have chemsitry, but Grabo is good on the draw, good defensively, has a wicked shot, can skate. In the past two years Kessel has shown he is not just a scorer, he can make plays happen anyway offensively. Putting him with a center that can score and that will create chances may get that line going. Not to mention Grabo is paid like a top 2 center, so lets make him one.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Mike Richards had a whopping 44 points last. Travis Zajac has 7 points this year.

Im sure Grabo's not the first center to have some trouble scoring after being put in a new role/signing a new deal.

Richards missed 8 games last year, he added 15 points in the playoffs last year and was instrumental for the Kings winning the cup, let's mention this too.

Zajac is a proven 2 way performer under one of the most defensive franchises in the NHL, he has been been a proven near 70 point man. 14 its in the playoffs for the Devils finalist run.

I don't want to get into another advanced stats discussion, but these 2 guys played key roles in the Stanley Cup finals.

It is fair to say this is Grabo's first year subjected to what a true top 6C is required to do at both ends of the ice, maybe he needs to get used to this, maybe he is not in the same class as Richards, but let's not make excuses for him, ignore the lack of production, he has been a giveaway machine, and he doesn't seem to fit into RC's puck support system of winning puck battles. He skates miles out there with no clue what to do.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Lol, well put.

Doesn't help that Grabo's has a lack of support on his line offensively (no knock against Kuli, or Mcclement, they're just not high quality).

I've often been thinking of late that maybe its time for Grabo and Bozak to be switched. I know people say that him and Kessel don't have chemsitry, but Grabo is good on the draw, good defensively, has a wicked shot, can skate. In the past two years Kessel has shown he is not just a scorer, he can make plays happen anyway offensively. Putting him with a center that can score and that will create chances may get that line going. Not to mention Grabo is paid like a top 2 center, so lets make him one.

Kadri has played most of the season with what most here said was not a good enough winger for Grabo. What are your thoughts on this? Kadri looks good with Mac and Orr/Komarov doesn't he? You think Grabo could do as well as Kadri with the same wingers?

If so, why was it mentioned so much here, that Grabo is skating with 2 black holes in Kule and Mac earlier this season?

 

[seanlinden]

Has everyone forgot that we signed a 3rd line C this past summer in McClement? I personally see us trading Bozak as Kadri, at this pace will take the #1 duties.

End of 2012/2013 - 2013/2014:
1C: Kadri
2C: Grabo
3C: McClement
4C: Steckle/FA

So where are you trading Kessel?

Or is the intention to let him play terribly for a year so all he wants do is walk as a UFA?

Reality is, Grabo plays horribly with Kessel, and Kadri is too weak on the puck / too much of an open-ice player to compliment him, so we need Bozak, or a similar centre, as long as Kessel is here.

By the way, what kind of idiotic management appoints a guy to be the #1 centre with 48 games of quality NHL experience???

 

[Badger25]

You want to buy out Grabovski? Take a effin lap

 

[Pyromaniac3]

Why the hell would you want to buy him out when he could easily be traded?

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Bozak is NEVER a liability on the ice. Add to that the fact that he occasionally sets up/scores beauties and always covers for the D and he's a really legit player.
He might not be a "#1 center" but he's definitely a center that can play on a first line.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/scores.htm?date=03/07/2013

Tell me who blows his coverage on the last two Senators goals. Is it my imagination or does Bozak skate lazily by Alfredsson on goal #3, then does as good of a job as Grabovski taking his man in front on goal #4?

Buying out Grabovski to pay for Bozak's raise is such a hilarious turd of an idea. How about putting Grabo back on a scoring line, letting Bozak walk for whoever wants his "services", and signing a real checking/3rd line center in the offseason?

Reality is, Grabo plays horribly with Kessel, and Kadri is too weak on the puck / too much of an open-ice player to compliment him, so we need Bozak, or a similar centre, as long as Kessel is here.

The very few times Grabo and Kessel have played together they scored at a higher pace than usual. But don't let facts get in the way of anything.

He should be easy to trade since everyone said he took "less" to stay here. I'm sure Nonis is going to need to hire another assistant to handle all the offers.

What? Who said he took less? Did anybody actually think his contract was a bargain when he signed it?

 

[Al14]

We lose 1 game and people are already calling for trades haha! Typical stupid Leaf fan who knows nothing.

Grabo is playing a shut down role, which allows other lines to get more offense going. Randy himself has states this to be true.

Watch Grabo play and you will see he works hard every shift and also gets good scoring chances with his speed. You can't teach a player heart, and they are the type of players you win with in the playoffs. Anyone remember grabo scoring an unreal goal after Chara destroyed him twice?

I remember that game. I thought Chara had killed Grabo on that one hit behind the net, and he got up and continued on like nothing had happened. Grabo is like a Timex watch, takes a shiit kicking and keeps on ticking!

 

[The Podium]

Let's try to be reasonable when looking at cherry picked stats, Richards, Bergeron and Kesler have proven they can score 70+ points many times over while playing a strong 2 way game, this is Grabo's first year under real NHL coaching where he has had to play defence, The 36 point pace and sporadic defence he has played has been underwhelming, he has not been good this year even taking his 5.5 salary out of the equation, Bozak, Kadri, and Mcclement have all exceeded him in expectations, is this not true, if Grabo was as good as you claim, he wouldn't need the excuse of offensive starts. Those are excuses, Kadri has played with 1 winger this year, a winger that was not good enough for Grabo for some, what has he done. Good players don't need excuses.

Those are not excuses, if the same trend was seen in half a dozen players over the latter half of the decade it usually is the reason for the short comings. Richards, Zajac etc are all exempt from criticism because they scored more 4 years ago playing along side some of the NHLs elite talent? This is what your claiming. Want to ***** at a player for being underwhelming, Zajac has 7 points this season, is paid as much as Grabobski and is starting 47% in the offensive zone. Grabovskis out producing the best player comparison while playing in a more defensive role. It's funny how you use "expectations" as your measure, " a 4th lines playing like a 3rd liner obviously he's better than a 2nd liner playing like a 3rd liner"! Your gonna bring up salary cap but wtf do we need the salary for?! We have 6 mill now, add Komisarek and Liles buy outs/ trade and were at 13 million! We can give perry 10 a year and still have 3 left over

 

[Hero]

Grabo had enough trade value that a buy-out would be silly.

That said, right now he is struggling but over the courses of the past three years, his play has been fine to warrant his money right now, and no reason to only look at the most recent 2 months.

 

[bunjay]

Lol, well put.

Doesn't help that Grabo's has a lack of support on his line offensively (no knock against Kuli, or Mcclement, they're just not high quality).

I've often been thinking of late that maybe its time for Grabo and Bozak to be switched. I know people say that him and Kessel don't have chemsitry, but Grabo is good on the draw, good defensively, has a wicked shot, can skate. In the past two years Kessel has shown he is not just a scorer, he can make plays happen anyway offensively. Putting him with a center that can score and that will create chances may get that line going. Not to mention Grabo is paid like a top 2 center, so lets make him one.

I often see Grabo dishing off the puck and then getting open for a return pass or coming in wide open as the trailer, only to have one of his wingers dump the puck. Maybe this is what they're being told to do, but more confident passers would definitely be making something of this.

 

[KuleminFan41]

Let's try to be reasonable when looking at cherry picked stats, Richards, Bergeron and Kesler have proven they can score 70+ points many times over

You sure?

Kessler had 2, 70+ point seasons out of 7 seasons which were 09-10 and 10-11
Richards had 2, 70+ point seasons out of 7 seasons which were 07-08 and 08-09
Bergeron had 2, 70+ point seasons out of 8 seasons which were 05-06 and 06-07

Richards and Bergeron both haven't hit 70 in several seasons so to say cherry picking stats is fairly inaccurate.Pretty much they all had 2 very good seasons back to back but haven't been able to reach 70 since. All their numbers are fairly similar , the big difference is Grabovski has played less seasons(this being his 5th)

 

[leafsfuture]

You get rid of a top 6 centerman for 1 reason:
There is another top 6 centerman to fill his spot. We dont have that.

Argument over

 

[Caesium]

You get rid of a top 6 centerman for 1 reason:
There is another top 6 centerman to fill his spot. We dont have that.

Argument over

Paul Stastny is available and Toronto is in talks with Colorado. Replacing Grabovski with Stastny makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[sangreale]

Paul Stastny is available and Toronto is in talks with Colorado. Replacing Grabovski with Stastny makes a lot of sense to me.

Yeah I am pretty sure you can get Stastny for Kadri straight up.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Paul Stastny is available and Toronto is in talks with Colorado. Replacing Grabovski with Stastny makes a lot of sense to me.

how do you know they are in talks for Statsny?

 

[calcal798]

Paul Stastny is available and Toronto is in talks with Colorado. Replacing Grabovski with Stastny makes a lot of sense to me.

Or we could keep Grabo and have a 1-2-3 of Stastny-Kadri-Grabo?

I like the second option better, we haven't had that depth at center for years.

 

[Caesium]

Or we could keep Grabo and have a 1-2-3 of Stastny-Kadri-Grabo?

I like the second option better, we haven't had that depth at center for years.

Kadri is up for a new contract and if he keeps up his pace all season he's going to be demanding a hefty raise. Grabo's 5.5 million is simply too much to keep him around when he isn't producing. The coach has him in a "shutdown" role, but he isn't a good fit for it. Grabo has impressive physical talents but he's missing a lot between the ears. A defensive player has to think the game at a high level and I don't think Grabo can do it.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

Mike Ribeiro averages 0.77 points a game. Bozak averages 0.55, and he gets to play with Phil Kessel. That difference is about 20 points per season, so there's that.

Other UFA centers who are pretty clearly better than Bozak: Derek Roy, Stephen Weiss, Andy McDonald, and quite frankly, Tim Connolly. Probably realistically a few others if you consider Bozak gets favorable zone starts, easy matchups, and plays with a top ten scorer in the NHL.

If you would buy out Mikhail Grabovski, let alone to make room for Tyler Bozak of all people, you haven't been watching, or paying attention to the numbers.

Irony.

 

[sangreale]

Those are not excuses, if the same trend was seen in half a dozen players over the latter half of the decade it usually is the reason for the short comings. Richards, Zajac etc are all exempt from criticism because they scored more 4 years ago playing along side some of the NHLs elite talent? This is what your claiming. Want to ***** at a player for being underwhelming, Zajac has 7 points this season, is paid as much as Grabobski and is starting 47% in the offensive zone. Grabovskis out producing the best player comparison while playing in a more defensive role. It's funny how you use "expectations" as your measure, " a 4th lines playing like a 3rd liner obviously he's better than a 2nd liner playing like a 3rd liner"! Your gonna bring up salary cap but wtf do we need the salary for?! We have 6 mill now, add Komisarek and Liles buy outs/ trade and were at 13 million! We can give perry 10 a year and still have 3 left over

Nope max is 8.

 

[The Podium]

Kadri is up for a new contract and if he keeps up his pace all season he's going to be demanding a hefty raise. Grabo's 5.5 million is simply too much to keep him around when he isn't producing. The coach has him in a "shutdown" role, but he isn't a good fit for it. Grabo has impressive physical talents but he's missing a lot between the ears. A defensive player has to think the game at a high level and I don't think Grabo can do it.

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FORWARDS
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Leo Komarov ($1.200m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.500m) / Matt Frattin ($0.925m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.696m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.700m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Cody Franson ($2.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Korbinian Holzer ($0.788m)
Morgan Rielly ($1.775m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($2.500m)
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($1.800m)
Ben Scrivens ($0.613m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
Buyout: Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Buyout: John-Michael Liles ($0.000m)
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[calcal798]

Kadri is up for a new contract and if he keeps up his pace all season he's going to be demanding a hefty raise. Grabo's 5.5 million is simply too much to keep him around when he isn't producing. The coach has him in a "shutdown" role, but he isn't a good fit for it. Grabo has impressive physical talents but he's missing a lot between the ears. A defensive player has to think the game at a high level and I don't think Grabo can do it.

Yea but Kadri will get 3 million or so for another 2 years, then he will get his 5 million contract. Unless he holds out for the first month of the season asking for 5 million. Its his first year so he'll have to show more to earn the contract.