Butch's Top 130 Prospects

Butch26

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Hey guys ! Finally posting it after receiving couple of PM . Here my annual top prospect list . Few thing to know before reading it :
- No goalie because i have 0 knowledge of the position
- I'm a skills coach/scout in the Q so no player from the Q included for no bia . Lot of player could en up here
- I'm a french canadian with , so my first language is french that why my bad english . I'm open to question/comment and i will respond



Few take on the list :
- Bowen Byram is my less good player who went first overall . It's the first time that i'm not call a futur star with the first player like the last list with Kaako,Hughes,Hughes,Makar,Connor etc . I fall in love with him at the last draft but this year my hype was not kept . But i'm a scout that his list doesn't change that much so i give him the benefit of doubt . I think he will end up like a Ryan Suter style , capable of playing 30 min a night in playoff but not put that much points . Very mobile and mature but he don't have the special savor of Maker or Hughes .
- Kaprizov going third because is the only one in the list that i can call that he will make +70 its a year and very soon . So dynamic and dangerous on the rush
- Zegras is 4 not because of the WJC . He was 4 on my list last year . IQ is special and his skillset is pretty good .
- Caufield will score lot of goal in the NHL . I'm a skills and what i like more to teach it is how to score goal . Caufield do all what i teach . Always playing on his opposite leg to play chess game with the goalie . His shoot his special , and his IQ Shooting much more.
- Batherson is the next Mark Stone . Will put 30+30 a year with great defensive capacities
- Couple player that they don't had good year is still high , i know . I don't change my ranking because of their point or <<result>> I change my ranking only if i think the player don't progress well or if i was wrong at the time . Give time to these player to develop , 1/2 year it's not enough to abandon on player.
Last List :
Butch's top 150 Prospect List
Butch List 115
Butch's List of the top 175 Drafted Prospects


  1. Bowen Byram
  2. Erik Branstrom
  3. Kirill Kaprizov
  4. Trevor Zegras
  5. Dylan Cozens
  6. Kirby Dach
  7. Adam Boqvist
  8. Cole Caufield
  9. Rasmus Sandin
  10. Alex Turcotte
  11. Barrett Hayton
  12. Ville Heinola
  13. Vitali Kravstov
  14. Filip Zadina
  15. Evan Bouchard
  16. Moritz Seider
  17. Drake Batherson
  18. Ryan Poehling
  19. Joel Farabe
  20. Joseph Veleno
  21. Vasili Podkolzin
  22. Ty Smith
  23. Timothy Liljegren
  24. Noah Dobson
  25. Alexander Romanov
  26. Tyler Madden
  27. Phillip Broberg
  28. Max Comtois
  29. Morgan Frost
  30. Grigori Denisenko
  31. Thomas Harley
  32. Conor Timmins
  33. Dmitri Voronkov
  34. Victor Sodestrom
  35. Casey Mittelstadt
  36. Nils Hoglander
  37. Jonatan Berggren
  38. Oliver Wahlstrom
  39. Eeli Tolvanen
  40. Jason Robertson
  41. Kristian Vesalainen
  42. Cam York
  43. Alex Newhook
  44. Samuel Fagemo
  45. Logan Brown
  46. Mattias Norlinder
  47. Dominic Bokk
  48. Ryan Merkley
  49. Rasmus Kupari
  50. Aleksi Heponiemi
  51. Pavel Dorofeyev
  52. Josh Norris
  53. Owen Tippet
  54. Shane Bowers
  55. Matthews Boldy
  56. Nils Lunkvist
  57. Kale Clague
  58. Jordan Kyrou
  59. Arthur Kaliyev
  60. Tobias Bjornfot
  61. K'Andre Miller
  62. Nolan Foote
  63. Jordan Harris
  64. Urho Vaakanainen
  65. Peyton Krebs
  66. Connor McNichael
  67. Lassi Thomson
  68. Callan Foote
  69. Phillip Tomasino
  70. Michael Rasmussen
  71. Kailer Yamamoto
  72. Klim Kostin
  73. Janne Kuokkanen
  74. Alex Barre-Boulet
  75. Martin Kaut
  76. Nicholas Robertson
  77. Ian Mitchell
  78. Josh Mahura
  79. Scott Perunovich
  80. Evan Barratt
  81. Jeremy Bracco
  82. Caleb Jones
  83. Jaret Anderson-Dolan
  84. Gabriel Vilardi
  85. Alex Formenton
  86. Josh Brook
  87. Bode Wilde
  88. Bobby Brink
  89. Brayden Tracey
  90. Jet Woo
  91. Calen Addison
  92. Alex Vlasic
  93. Jan Jenik
  94. Tyler Benson
  95. Matias Maccelli
  96. Dmitri Samorukov
  97. Jack Studnicka
  98. Shane Pinto
  99. Akil Thomas
  100. Ty Dellandrea
  101. Dylan Samberg
  102. John Beecher
  103. Yegor Rykov
  104. Filip Hallander
  105. Anttoni Honka
  106. Jesse Ylonen
  107. Jayden Struble
  108. Jansen Harkins
  109. Dillon Dube
  110. Rudolf Balcers
  111. Alexander Volkov
  112. Jack Dugan
  113. Nic Beaudin
  114. Patrik Puistola
  115. Serron Noel
  116. Mikko Kokkonen
  117. Jake Bean
  118. Otto Koivula
  119. Sasha Chmelevski
  120. Yegor Zamula
  121. Tyler Raddysh
  122. Mitchell Stephens
  123. Liam Foudy
  124. Lawrence Pilut
  125. Jacob Bernard-Docker
  126. Ryan Johnson
  127. Martin Fehérváry
  128. Rasmus Asplund
  129. Lucas Elvenes
  130. Kole Lind


Top 10 NEXT DRAFT
  1. Tim Stuztle
  2. Jamie Drysdale
  3. Lucas Raymond
  4. Quinton Byfield
  5. Cole Perfetti
  6. Marco Rossi
  7. Anton Lundell
  8. Alexander Holtz
  9. Antonio Stranges
  10. Noel Gunler

Top 10 advance with a franchise (u23)
  1. Connor McDavid
  2. Auston Matthews
  3. Cale Makar
  4. Thomas Chabot
  5. Quinn Hughes
  6. Rasmus Dahlin
  7. Elias Pettersson
  8. Miro Heiskanen
  9. Mitchell Marner
  10. Matthew Barzal
  11. Jack Hughes
  12. Evgeni Svechnikov
  13. Sebastian Aho
  14. Kaapo Kakko
  15. Matthew Tkachuk
  16. Zach Werenski
  17. Adam Fox
  18. Ivan Provorov
  19. Brock Boeser
  20. P-L Dubois
  21. Bowen Byram
  22. Erik Branstrom
  23. Alex DeBrincat
  24. Clayton Keller
  25. Dylan Strome
 

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List appreciated , I know not easy making these lists as to players can move up or down drastically depends on which metric one uses, would have liked to see Q players included to heck with if anyone thinks there's bias or not, everyone shouldn't be so serious - cheers!
 
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List appreciated , I know not easy making these lists as to players can move up or down drastically depends on which metric one uses, would have liked to see Q players included to heck with if anyone thinks there's bias or not, everyone shouldn't be so serious - cheers!

thanks buddy

For Q player , is because 4-5 player on my team could end up ranked here, and the other player is direct competitor so. I don’t put them to be okay with everybody if they see the list
 

Butch26

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Hard for me to follow honestly. An overager who’s not playing on international stage , it’s take 2 year to see him enough to put him at the good place.
So yeah a guy drafted in 5-6-7 round, never play team usa, no jrn A , no NHL pre season, no rookie game...It will take time to appreciate the player. Except if he play at 2-4 university that i see more
 

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Everyone has different opinions but I’m not a big fan of this list. Just one example, what’s the reasoning for Bowers, Norlinder, Berggren above Nils Lundkvist? Lundkvist is setting records in the SHL and leads his team in points as a defenseman whose been known for his defensive game
 
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I was a bit puzzled with the Brannstrom love, also.
Oh, and Beckman is not an overager. He was picked in his first eligible draft year.
 
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Hey guys ! Finally posting it after receiving couple of PM . Here my annual top prospect list . Few thing to know before reading it :
- No goalie because i have 0 knowledge of the position
- I'm a skills coach/scout in the Q so no player from the Q included for no bia . Lot of player could en up here
- I'm a french canadian with , so my first language is french that why my bad english . I'm open to question/comment and i will respond



Few take on the list :
- Bowen Byram is my less good player who went first overall . It's the first time that i'm not call a futur star with the first player like the last list with Kaako,Hughes,Hughes,Makar,Connor etc . I fall in love with him at the last draft but this year my hype was not kept . But i'm a scout that his list doesn't change that much so i give him the benefit of doubt . I think he will end up like a Ryan Suter style , capable of playing 30 min a night in playoff but not put that much points . Very mobile and mature but he don't have the special savor of Maker or Hughes .
- Kaprizov going third because is the only one in the list that i can call that he will make +70 its a year and very soon . So dynamic and dangerous on the rush
- Zegras is 4 not because of the WJC . He was 4 on my list last year . IQ is special and his skillset is pretty good .
- Caufield will score lot of goal in the NHL . I'm a skills and what i like more to teach it is how to score goal . Caufield do all what i teach . Always playing on his opposite leg to play chess game with the goalie . His shoot his special , and his IQ Shooting much more.
- Batherson is the next Mark Stone . Will put 30+30 a year with great defensive capacities
- Couple player that they don't had good year is still high , i know . I don't change my ranking because of their point or <<result>> I change my ranking only if i think the player don't progress well or if i was wrong at the time . Give time to these player to develop , 1/2 year it's not enough to abandon on player.
Last List :
Butch's top 150 Prospect List
Butch List 115
Butch's List of the top 175 Drafted Prospects


  1. Bowen Byram
  2. Erik Branstrom
  3. Kirill Kaprizov
  4. Trevor Zegras
  5. Dylan Cozens
  6. Kirby Dach
  7. Adam Boqvist
  8. Cole Caufield
  9. Rasmus Sandin
  10. Alex Turcotte
  11. Barrett Hayton
  12. Ville Heinola
  13. Vitali Kravstov
  14. Filip Zadina
  15. Evan Bouchard
  16. Moritz Seider
  17. Drake Batherson
  18. Ryan Poehling
  19. Joel Farabe
  20. Joseph Veleno
  21. Vasili Podkolzin
  22. Ty Smith
  23. Timothy Liljegren
  24. Noah Dobson
  25. Alexander Romanov
  26. Tyler Madden
  27. Phillip Broberg
  28. Max Comtois
  29. Morgan Frost
  30. Grigori Denisenko
  31. Thomas Harley
  32. Conor Timmins
  33. Dmitri Voronkov
  34. Victor Sodestrom
  35. Casey Mittelstadt
  36. Nils Hoglander
  37. Jonatan Berggren
  38. Oliver Wahlstrom
  39. Eeli Tolvanen
  40. Jason Robertson
  41. Kristian Vesalainen
  42. Cam York
  43. Alex Newhook
  44. Samuel Fagemo
  45. Logan Brown
  46. Mattias Norlinder
  47. Dominic Bokk
  48. Ryan Merkley
  49. Rasmus Kupari
  50. Aleksi Heponiemi
  51. Pavel Dorofeyev
  52. Josh Norris
  53. Owen Tippet
  54. Shane Bowers
  55. Matthews Boldy
  56. Nils Lunkvist
  57. Kale Clague
  58. Jordan Kyrou
  59. Arthur Kaliyev
  60. Tobias Bjornfot
  61. K'Andre Miller
  62. Nolan Foote
  63. Jordan Harris
  64. Urho Vaakanainen
  65. Peyton Krebs
  66. Connor McNichael
  67. Lassi Thomson
  68. Callan Foote
  69. Phillip Tomasino
  70. Michael Rasmussen
  71. Kailer Yamamoto
  72. Klim Kostin
  73. Janne Kuokkanen
  74. Alex Barre-Boulet
  75. Martin Kaut
  76. Nicholas Robertson
  77. Ian Mitchell
  78. Josh Mahura
  79. Scott Perunovich
  80. Evan Barratt
  81. Jeremy Bracco
  82. Caleb Jones
  83. Jaret Anderson-Dolan
  84. Gabriel Vilardi
  85. Alex Formenton
  86. Josh Brook
  87. Bode Wilde
  88. Bobby Brink
  89. Brayden Tracey
  90. Jet Woo
  91. Calen Addison
  92. Alex Vlasic
  93. Jan Jenik
  94. Tyler Benson
  95. Matias Maccelli
  96. Dmitri Samorukov
  97. Jack Studnicka
  98. Shane Pinto
  99. Akil Thomas
  100. Ty Dellandrea
  101. Dylan Samberg
  102. John Beecher
  103. Yegor Rykov
  104. Filip Hallander
  105. Anttoni Honka
  106. Jesse Ylonen
  107. Jayden Struble
  108. Jansen Harkins
  109. Dillon Dube
  110. Rudolf Balcers
  111. Alexander Volkov
  112. Jack Dugan
  113. Nic Beaudin
  114. Patrik Puistola
  115. Serron Noel
  116. Mikko Kokkonen
  117. Jake Bean
  118. Otto Koivula
  119. Sasha Chmelevski
  120. Yegor Zamula
  121. Tyler Raddysh
  122. Mitchell Stephens
  123. Liam Foudy
  124. Lawrence Pilut
  125. Jacob Bernard-Docker
  126. Ryan Johnson
  127. Martin Fehérváry
  128. Rasmus Asplund
  129. Lucas Elvenes
  130. Kole Lind


Top 10 NEXT DRAFT
  1. Tim Stuztle
  2. Jamie Drysdale
  3. Lucas Raymond
  4. Quinton Byfield
  5. Cole Perfetti
  6. Marco Rossi
  7. Anton Lundell
  8. Alexander Holtz
  9. Antonio Stranges
  10. Noel Gunler

Top 10 advance with a franchise (u23)
  1. Connor McDavid
  2. Auston Matthews
  3. Cale Makar
  4. Thomas Chabot
  5. Quinn Hughes
  6. Rasmus Dahlin
  7. Elias Pettersson
  8. Miro Heiskanen
  9. Mitchell Marner
  10. Matthew Barzal
  11. Jack Hughes
  12. Evgeni Svechnikov
  13. Sebastian Aho
  14. Kaapo Kakko
  15. Matthew Tkachuk
  16. Zach Werenski
  17. Adam Fox
  18. Ivan Provorov
  19. Brock Boeser
  20. P-L Dubois
  21. Bowen Byram
  22. Erik Branstrom
  23. Alex DeBrincat
  24. Clayton Keller
  25. Dylan Strome
Where is Lafreniere?
 
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Amazing how many people have a truly putrid ability to actually read....


Anyway, always respect a list this size. Especially respect the list for attempting to remove any bias by not rankings players from the league you scout.


Like with any list, there's certainly some aspects of it I disagree with. As an Avs fan I think Newhook is significantly lower than he should be but you also kind of explained a reason for that already by not getting to see him play as much as others being that he's an NCAA guy.


That said.... Of the Avs prospects you have ranked, you have them in the following order:


Byram
Timmins
Newhook
Bowers
Kaut


This is almost the exact order I personally would have them ranked as well with the only exception being I'd have Kovalenko ranked above Kaut.
 

Butch26

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Everyone has different opinions but I’m not a big fan of this list. Just one example, what’s the reasoning for Bowers, Norlinder, Berggren above Nils Lundkvist? Lundkvist is setting records in the SHL and leads his team in points as a defenseman whose been known for his defensive game

I have a lot of comment like that in my last ranking . My ranking is not about stats or record or whatever...

Scouting is a inexact science. Player will play 3 wow game , 10 very good game , 30 game ok and 5 disaster game . If i see him 5 time , and i see his 5 disaster game...Yeah i will have the player very low if we compare with another scout who see is 3 wow game . My ranking IS not about stats .

But i'm skills coach , so i have (i think) specific knowledge about skating, shooting,stickhandling and what i call SKILLS IQ. I see the game very differently than other scout for sur.


Bowers for me is a top speed player , NHL Locker . The ceiling is not that high but is high pace is very rare and a NHL lock as a value in the ranking

Norlinder is the pure skills , one of the best edging skills in this list . Is skater ability and his Skills IQ is awesome . His ceiling is very very very vey high for me . If i rank player about their ceiling , he go top 3-5

Berggren was top 10 in my draft ranking . I give him 1 year to be good as he was a 17 year old. Always head up in the corner , make play , shifty .

I compare Lunkvist with Markov . Not that fast , but very mobile and high IQ on the BO/Regroupe . He don't have the fire power of Norlinder if we compare the two player . Norlinder is more a running back and Lundkvist a QB . I think Lunkvist will play in the NHL but i don't except match than i see now . But again , is my scouting view and we can put 10 very good scout in a room and nobody will have the same list . Maybe i'm wrong , never say that i had a super power to evaluate prospect .
 

Butch26

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Amazing how many people have a truly putrid ability to actually read....


Anyway, always respect a list this size. Especially respect the list for attempting to remove any bias by not rankings players from the league you scout.


Like with any list, there's certainly some aspects of it I disagree with. As an Avs fan I think Newhook is significantly lower than he should be but you also kind of explained a reason for that already by not getting to see him play as much as others being that he's an NCAA guy.


That said.... Of the Avs prospects you have ranked, you have them in the following order:


Byram
Timmins
Newhook
Bowers
Kaut


This is almost the exact order I personally would have them ranked as well with the only exception being I'd have Kovalenko ranked above Kaut.

Thanks for the feedback . Nice to see that i have the same ranking as you , knowing that you will follow more than me COL prospect
 

Butch26

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Man are you ever high on Erik Brannstrom. Nice player but way too highly ranked imo.

I think is the less good 1 to 10 core in the last 4 year. Byram to Romanov is close for me and in the previous is was different with player like Chabot or Hughes definitely in front of the other player . Why i keep Branstrom so high it's his comprehension of how beat pressure , aside with his mobility.

But like Byram , i can said that he will be a super star . His top speed is okay but no exceptional here , samething about all of his tools .
 

Butch26

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Studnicka 79 spots lower than Poehling is a head scratcher. He's a better prospect IMO.

Maybe. Poehling is on my radar for awhile and my projection of him don't change. I will not change my ranking because the production of Stud is far better.
 

Lays

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I have a lot of comment like that in my last ranking . My ranking is not about stats or record or whatever...

Scouting is a inexact science. Player will play 3 wow game , 10 very good game , 30 game ok and 5 disaster game . If i see him 5 time , and i see his 5 disaster game...Yeah i will have the player very low if we compare with another scout who see is 3 wow game . My ranking IS not about stats .

But i'm skills coach , so i have (i think) specific knowledge about skating, shooting,stickhandling and what i call SKILLS IQ. I see the game very differently than other scout for sur.


Bowers for me is a top speed player , NHL Locker . The ceiling is not that high but is high pace is very rare and a NHL lock as a value in the ranking

Norlinder is the pure skills , one of the best edging skills in this list . Is skater ability and his Skills IQ is awesome . His ceiling is very very very vey high for me . If i rank player about their ceiling , he go top 3-5

Berggren was top 10 in my draft ranking . I give him 1 year to be good as he was a 17 year old. Always head up in the corner , make play , shifty .

I compare Lunkvist with Markov . Not that fast , but very mobile and high IQ on the BO/Regroupe . He don't have the fire power of Norlinder if we compare the two player . Norlinder is more a running back and Lundkvist a QB . I think Lunkvist will play in the NHL but i don't except match than i see now . But again , is my scouting view and we can put 10 very good scout in a room and nobody will have the same list . Maybe i'm wrong , never say that i had a super power to evaluate prospect .
The Bowers argument doesn’t make much sense. I’d think that Lundkvist is actually the safer prospect than Bowers, and was always considered a low ceiling/high floor defenseman up until this season where he absolutely exploded offensively. I think that Markov comp is way off as well, I’d compare him to Anton Stralman. Nils Lundkvist is actually younger than Norlinder as well and is producing at a better pace ( 22 points in 29 games) and leads his SHL team in scoring. Norlinder is 12th in scoring on his Allsvenskan team with 15 in 32. And Norlinder is considered to be much weaker defensively than Lundkvist, I really can’t see anyone taking Norlinder over Lundkvist. Not going to argue your own opinion though, everyone does have completely different lists and I respect that
 

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Ahhhh, A great list, Thank you!

It is always interesting to read how others see certain players. I appreciate your insight.

I have a question about a player not on your list...…..maybe you can help me?

Could you comment on Jack Rathbone of Harvard

In particular, I would really like to here how he compares to, two recent graduates

Please, how does he compare to Adan Fox (NYR) and John Marino (Pitts)

I realize he is not as strong as Fox, but want to get a handle on if he will be a candidate for our Canucks

Thanks
 
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