Post-Game Talk: Bruins win 5-2!!!!!!!

[LouJersey]

I still don't understand how some of you guys/gals can post on the main board for our series. I'd get thrown out in 2mins...lol

My name shows up on there and I get an infraction every time...even if I'm not doing anything...not worth it...stay here.

 

[Artemis]

Julien has NEVER, and I`ll repeat, NEVER instructed his players to sit back and defend from one bit of media I have read/seen nor heard and there has been countless players over not just this year, but years past say the same thing.....paraphrasing "coaches said between periods to keep pressing while being responsible" that kind of stuff

Can`t stand this kind of statement, outside of a coach who has little talent to work with, I`d wager, there isn`t one legit NHL coach who instructs his teams to stay back and play nothing but trap.

Not sure why it is, when I played, coached and now watching the game, we see literally EVERY team do it, have a look at the Pens against the Isles as an example, pretty sure Blalsma hasn`t/didn`t instruct his troops to do that, it`s something that happens mentally with teams, they get a lead, don`t want to lose it yet somehow think that rather continue to focus on what got them that lead, they`ll protect it instead, happening for decades now

Exactly. There is no coach in the world, in any sport, that instructs his team to "sit on a lead" with that much time left.

As the saying goes, the other guys get paid too. Any team worth its salt is going to push hard in that situation.

 

[Ladyfan]

Too bad this guy was not the Leaf fan that got knocked out in Boston. Although the Boston fan that attacked the Leaf fan in Boston was an idiot, this Leaf fan holding that side is even a bigger idiot. Hope he is never allowed back in again to watch a game. I guess the saying that there is an idiot in every crowd holds true. Good game by you guys in game 3 btw...BOSTON STRONG!

Thanks . I believe most here know there are fools everywhere..

I like most Leaf fans.

 

[Ladyfan]

True, but Toronto has been all over Marchand like white on rice. If the pressure comes off of him one of these games we'll see him pot a couple

Brad is overdue for a shorty

 

[doubleminor138]

This. Bruins fans had to go out of their way to say it was just one idiot fan who punched a guy and idiots are everywhere. Then we have people trying to say ya it happens everywhere but Boston is particularly bad. The sign was beyond just one being an idiot and making a dumb choice while inebriated, this guy displayed ignorance on a staggering level and the fact that he was posing with the sign and Leafs fans did NOTHING is disheartening. Just imagine if Boston in 2001 in a Sox-Yanks game if someone made a sign mocking 9/11. It's just kind of funny how 14 pages were spent on a thread about a random Leafs fan getting KO'd and a thread on this sign which actually was in the news got shut down after 4 posts. Just for the record I'm not trying to slight any mods, just saying.

I hear what you are saying. I do.

Threads on subjects like that (one person acts, judgement is passed on various parties for their role/complicity) just serve little purpose. One guy acts like a DB and the broad brush of judgement catches a number of people in there, and then a bunch of folks come to defend their city/team/fans honor.

I thought about shutting down the knocked out Leaf's fan thread for the same reason but didn't (still not sure I shouldn't have). This one would be worse.

While it might be ripe for discussion, I don't think that posters here could limit that discussion to areas appropriate for the forums. It would go in the wrong direction because what is there to discuss if its not one guy and his antics?

Anyway, mods can't win either way. Shut it down and hear about how we are too strict. Leave it pen and its "why is this trollbait thread still open?". So sometimes we take the path that will cause the least needless strife.

One guy acted like a dink and got the deserved (well, its arguable that he got enough) negative attention for it.

 

[Artemis]

Me either-that was probably ly the worst call of the night. Looch isn't the smother guy on his skates but his fall was hard and awkward-somebody taking a dive wouldn't have done it like that.

That Make-a-face guy or whatever his name is posted the video on the main board about 30 seconds later. Can you say obsession?

 

[Ladyfan]

My name shows up on there and I get an infraction every time...even if I'm not doing anything...not worth it...stay here.

You are like Looch .

I may go read there later but have to be careful and behave myself.

Take care B's fans. We lost too may in 2011 **************to the main board

 

[CamFan81]

 

[ThomasJ13]

Julien has NEVER, and I`ll repeat, NEVER instructed his players to sit back and defend from one bit of media I have read/seen nor heard and there has been countless players over not just this year, but years past say the same thing.....paraphrasing "coaches said between periods to keep pressing while being responsible" that kind of stuff

Can`t stand this kind of statement, outside of a coach who has little talent to work with, I`d wager, there isn`t one legit NHL coach who instructs his teams to stay back and play nothing but trap.

Not sure why it is, when I played, coached and now watching the game, we see literally EVERY team do it, have a look at the Pens against the Isles as an example, pretty sure Blalsma hasn`t/didn`t instruct his troops to do that, it`s something that happens mentally with teams, they get a lead, don`t want to lose it yet somehow think that rather continue to focus on what got them that lead, they`ll protect it instead, happening for decades now

All true. What I think happens is that nobody wants to be 'that guy' who turned the puck over near the opposing team's blueline, which led to the goal which put the other team within one and changed the momentum. So he dumps it in. Nobody wants to be 'that defenseman' who pinched and got caught, leading to the momentum changing goal. So he backs off. Nobody wants to be that defenseman who got burned when he stepped up near his own blueline a little prematurely, only to watch a speedy puck carrier get a step on him and setup the momentum changing goal, that he has to watch endlessly later on highlights. The coach doesn't preach these things, they just happen....to every team, as you point out.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Great win.

The Krejci line is rolling. This line is just a very good playoffs line. Remember, the B's have never lost a playoffs series with Horton in the lineup. And to say some voted that the Leafs would win in the poll... shame on them...

The Bergy line is searching for offense but the chances are there. Especially for Seguin. Marchand is the worst of the 3 right now but goals have and will come from this line. At least, they don't get scored against and keep in check Toronto bests lines.

Finally the 3rd line did something good yesterday. I pulling for Pev. The better he does, the higher our pick/prospect will be when he's traded this summer. Hopefully, he leaves with a 2nd ring.

Merlot, what can you say. I was against playing Thornton and would have rather play a Yeti-Kelly-Jagr, Paille-Campbell-Pev. It may end up that way in the upcoming rounds. But right now, this line is doing so very good. Their last shift yesterday was the nail in the game for the Leafs.

The D is mean and physical. Battle tested group that will battle you to death.

Rask is having his first chance to redeem himself from the 3-0 debacle against the Flyers. You think he wants to backstop his team to an underachiving series loss to the lowly Leafs and the worst G in the playoffs? Think again. Was superb yesterday. Nice way to rebound after a so-so 2nd game.

Now, let's see what kind of game the play tomorrow. Should be over in 2 games if they do what they can.

 

[Neely2005]

the officiating was awful

good game from you guys, and we stunk!

Agreed they've definitely been biased in favour of the leafs so far this series, especially in Game 2 when the Bruins only had 9 seconds of Power Play time.

12 PP for Toronto so far, 9 for Boston.

 

[Roo]

Good game boys.

The B's were simply better last night. Mistakes really cost us the game, and the B's simply don't make the same kind of mistakes we do. Strong playoff teams in general don't make them, and do capitalize on them.

That was ultimately the difference.

 

[Neely2005]

is this real?

Very real, Google 'Toronto Stronger'.

 

[11MilesPerJohan]

Julien has NEVER, and I`ll repeat, NEVER instructed his players to sit back and defend from one bit of media I have read/seen nor heard and there has been countless players over not just this year, but years past say the same thing.....paraphrasing "coaches said between periods to keep pressing while being responsible" that kind of stuff

Can`t stand this kind of statement, outside of a coach who has little talent to work with, I`d wager, there isn`t one legit NHL coach who instructs his teams to stay back and play nothing but trap.

Not sure why it is, when I played, coached and now watching the game, we see literally EVERY team do it, have a look at the Pens against the Isles as an example, pretty sure Blalsma hasn`t/didn`t instruct his troops to do that, it`s something that happens mentally with teams, they get a lead, don`t want to lose it yet somehow think that rather continue to focus on what got them that lead, they`ll protect it instead, happening for decades now

I agree. Obviously when you are ahead by a couple of goals in the third period you are going to play a bit more conservatively, within reason, but I don't believe Julien instructs the team to sit back, trap, and basically survive the last 20 min of the game.

I think there is a simple explanation for why this happens sometimes:

First off, Toronto was obviously the more desperate team in the third period, and rightfully so. I'll give them credit, they picked up the intensity while the Bruins didn't quite come out with the same urgency they had in the first two periods.

When this happened, Toronto was able to frequently hem the Bruins in their zone. The Bruins were not able to make good passes coming out of their own zone. By the time they got the puck over the red line, if they did at all, it was often a dump in change, or they would just get it out of the zone, turn it back over to Toronto's D and change up that way. It's tough to forecheck when you are gassed from a long shift in your own end and you are just trying to get off the ice.

So, even when the Bruins were able to get the puck over the red line and dump it in, they often did not have a full compliment of players available to forecheck or they were not making good dumps, just desperation dumps to get it out of the zone and away from pressure. When there are no forecheckers, or a poor dump is made and it is apparent that Toronto is going to have easy puck possession, the Bruins, and many NHL teams, will drop back into the trap instead of pursuing and risking being beaten up the ice.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

Good game boys.

The B's were simply better last night. Mistakes really cost us the game, and the B's simply don't make the same kind of mistakes we do. Strong playoff teams in general don't make them, and do capitalize on them.

That was ultimately the difference.

Thought Leafs were real good in G2 and 1st period last night. Kind of throw out period 3 of both games 2 & 3 as both teams were protecting leads. Leafs are certainly much improved and on the right track.

 

[Neely2005]

Who would have thunk it that a 5-2 win can feel like a nail-biter?

I'm so glad that Ference is back. Krejci line is doing it's job. I feel good.

On a separate topic, I was watching CBC feed and they showed Bieksa bemoaning Sharks cheating in the faceoff circle. Do they ever stop whining?

Toronto Maple Leafs centre Tyler Bozak accuses Boston Bruins of ‘cheating better’ on faceoffs in NHL playoffs:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs...ating_better_on_faceoffs_in_nhl_playoffs.html

 

[Neely2005]

The Leaf whining is absolutely hilarious. Saying we can't score good goals and we're the best worst team.

There's no descriptions on the game sheet.

 

[doubleminor138]

There's no descriptions on the game sheet.

Pretty sure they engrave it on the cup now.

Boston Bruins 2013-2014; 19 lucky goals, 10 skill goals, 4 referee gift goals

 

[doubleminor138]

Pretty sure they engrave it on the cup now.

Boston Bruins 2013-2014; 19 lucky goals, 10 skill goals, 4 referee gift goals

EDIT to add :

*cheated better on faceoffs
*called for diving

 

[Neely2005]

One of my buddies went up to Toronto for the game with his brother (bruins fans). On the way out they got jumped by 15-20 Leafs fans, broke his brothers hand and his orbital bone.

What is wrong with people?

But stuff like this only happens in Boston...

At the end of Wednesday night’s Maple Leafs game, the general manager of the Air Canada Centre was chasing a Boston Bruins fan.

Thousands of supporters converged on Maple Leaf Square on Wednesday to watch Toronto lose 4-1 to the Bruins on a 30- by 50-ft. screen projected onto the facade of the ACC.

As the man in the Bruins jersey was being escorted outside of the designated tail-gate area — for what security guards called “safety reasons” — the general manager of ACC operations, Vince Bozzo, opened his wallet and retrieved a business card for the beer-drenched fan...

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...da-centre-as-leafs-lose-4-1-to-boston-bruins/

 

[Neely2005]

Pretty sure they engrave it on the cup now.

Boston Bruins 2013-2014; 19 lucky goals, 10 skill goals, 4 referee gift goals

What they don't list the empty net goals?

 

[TCL40]

Good game boys.

The B's were simply better last night. Mistakes really cost us the game, and the B's simply don't make the same kind of mistakes we do. Strong playoff teams in general don't make them, and do capitalize on them.

That was ultimately the difference.

Wait did you miss game two?

I will say Leafs have a real good young core of forwards-they have come a long way.

 

[LSCII]

Agreed they've definitely been biased in favour of the leafs so far this series, especially in Game 2 when the Bruins only had 9 seconds of Power Play time.

12 PP for Toronto so far, 9 for Boston.

It helps that TO is also trying to sell calls. My wife, who is a very casual hockey watcher, was shocked at van Riemsdyk trying to sell a blow to the head on that play late in the third. He got it in the chest and acted like he was shot in the face.

 

[patty59]

It helps that TO is also trying to sell calls. My wife, who is a very casual hockey watcher, was shocked at van Riemsdyk trying to sell a blow to the head on that play late in the third. He got it in the chest and acted like he was shot in the face.

That was awesome, I think he got a cut lip from grabbing his face so hard.

 

[disfigured]

Julien has NEVER, and I`ll repeat, NEVER instructed his players to sit back and defend from one bit of media I have read/seen nor heard and there has been countless players over not just this year, but years past say the same thing.....paraphrasing "coaches said between periods to keep pressing while being responsible" that kind of stuff

Can`t stand this kind of statement, outside of a coach who has little talent to work with, I`d wager, there isn`t one legit NHL coach who instructs his teams to stay back and play nothing but trap.

Not sure why it is, when I played, coached and now watching the game, we see literally EVERY team do it, have a look at the Pens against the Isles as an example, pretty sure Blalsma hasn`t/didn`t instruct his troops to do that, it`s something that happens mentally with teams, they get a lead, don`t want to lose it yet somehow think that rather continue to focus on what got them that lead, they`ll protect it instead, happening for decades now

I'm BMC and I approve this post.

I don't know why people have the idea that Claude Julien instructs or even wants his team to sit on a lead or why this idea is so persistent amongst some Bruins fans.

Few of us have said that.

But regardless of the talent this team has or hasn't, they have a tendency to take the "bend but don't break" routine too far. Last night was an example at the start of the 3rd. Yes weather the storm, but with the occasional (or eventual) counter-punch in the form of an oddman rush to lessen the Leaf's momentum and confidence in what they are doing. It's how most teams have this natural ebb and flow of a game come to its resolution. The aggressive team either scores, or the defending team gets an oddman rush or breakaway to cause the momentum to shift or lessen. I know we're not designed best to end these sieges this way, but I don't think we're exactly helpless against them either when it comes to our roster. We seem to wait till the other team gives up in frustration. That counter-punch never comes. The other team never pays a tragic price for their aggressiveness. Letting the other team tire of pressing their luck worked this time, but it's dangerous, as has back fired during the regular season this year.

Players often take on the personification of their coach. Both in demeanor and in execution of any game plan. Clode is even tempered, methodical, and calm. For the most parts good traits for players at this level. One draw back (no system or human is perfect) is that this demeanor often causes what we're seeing, without a coach having to say or instruct a team to actually do it. When we're in complete disarray in our own end (which happens with every team at some point), Claude is standing there as if he's reading the paper. He's a tad upset but nothing overtly obvious. Which is good in some ways, he doesn't panic. But on the same note he also doesn't emote or react as if anything is going wrong either, sometimes till it's too late. Against the Leafs fine. Against the Pens, you really think the likes of Crosby, Letang, and others wouldn't have potted one in the same scenario? I don't want to find out, by having the same thing happen.

In some ways I think the more talented players are the reason our "with a two goal lead" has a chink in it now. With the plugger CJ had it's all they knew, and what they were good at. With a more talented club I think they get stuck between a rock and a hard place with what they are capable of doing, and what needs to be done (protect/keep a lead). Protecting a lead with some talent is a bit different, then with no talent.

It's not that I don't think it's a wining formula, it's more a formula that wins games. A subtle difference, that removes the hero player from the equation, that can make difference during these onslaughts we often go through with the lead. If a player doesn't want to be "that guy" that makes the mistake, he's certainly not going to be "the guy" who breaks the other team's back. If Pie can get a shorty, then how come we can't generate an oddman rush during the Leaf's onslaught? We don't even have to score on that oddman rush. All it has to do is cause the other coach to convert from pressing for a chance, to waiting for a chance. And god knows that's exactly where we want teams when we're playing well. Waiting for us to make a mistake is fool's errand.

TLDR; I don't mind the onslaughts with the lead, I just don't think they have to last as long or be as intensely defensive.