Bruins D in 2 years?

[corpfan1]

What do we think the Bs D will look like in 2 years time?

You have to figure something like this:

Chara - Hamilton
Seidenberg - Miller
Krug - Morrow
Trotman


Thoughts?

Do we all think Chara will be here in 2016-17? Seidenberg?

Looks like Boychuk, McQuaid and Bartkowski are likely gone.

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[KrejciMVP]

What do we think the Bs D will look like in 2 years time?

You have to figure something like this:

Chara - Hamilton
Seidenberg - Miller
Krug - Morrow
Trotman


Thoughts?

Do we all think Chara will be here in 2016-17? Seidenberg?

Looks like Boychuk, McQuaid and Bartkowski are likely gone.

Looks like Boychuk, McQuaid and Bartkowski are likely gone.

Source?

 

[corpfan1]

No source... Guess just general discussion on these boards and various articles in general.

McQuaid will likely be a cap casualty this year as will Bartkowski.

Boychuk might also be, and if not, if we intend to keep Krejci, Lucic and Hamilton, you might as well accept the departure of Johnny B.

We can't keep 9 defensemen.

Doubt Chara, Seidenberg, Hamilton, Miller, Krug, Trotman, Morrow, Arnesson are going anywhere.

Looks like Boychuk, McQuaid and Bartkowski are likely gone.

Source?

 

[rcduthie77]

Chara - Hamilton
Seidenberg - Trotman
Krug
Miller - Arnesson - Morrow

Club seems really high on Trotman, I think with his size and skills he will pass Miller.

Chara, Seidenberg, Hamilton & Krug to me are locks because of what each brings.

Bottom 3 could be interchangeable depending on what the team needs. Krug, Morrow, Hamilton & Trotman all in the lineup at the same time could be dynamic. Miller brings the steady presence and Arnesson is a darkhorse but brings a lot of D-Zone ability with better skating and puck handling then Miller.

I'm high on all 8 of those guys.

 

[neelynugs]

http://blogs.southcoasttoday.com/bruins/2014/07/18/trotmans-deal-is-one-way-in-2015-16/

good read by mick. he has:

Z-dougie
seids-trotman
krug-miller

I see morrow as the guy over trotman, with seids easily sliding to the right side.

 

[77bestever*]

Dougie---????? bigtime player whoever it is.
Boychuck--CHARA.........
Morrow--Trottman....I see this as a pairing only if Trottman is better then Miller
Bartkowski-Miller


Gone are SEIDS-McQUAID-KRUG.....

Chia wont pay Krug what he will want in two-three years for a one dimensional Dman.....

I have a feeling Trottman will grow into a solid number 4 guy,

Baertkowsi is a guy that can improve because he can skate and you cant teach that....You can teach positional play.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Since Chara is now a borderline #3 D, we should expect him to be a fringe NHLer in 2 years so:

Hamilton-Boychuk
Krug-Seidenberg
Warsofsky-Miller
Trotman/Chara

 

[wintersej]

http://blogs.southcoasttoday.com/bruins/2014/07/18/trotmans-deal-is-one-way-in-2015-16/

good read by mick. he has:

Z-dougie
seids-trotman
krug-miller

I see morrow as the guy over trotman, with seids easily sliding to the right side.

Yes, barring moves (which is a huge caveat) either of the above scenarios seem most likely.

No way Miller is playing in your top 4. That guy with Seids should be a two way D. There is a place for guys like McQuaid and Miller on a roster, but they will get hemmed in their own zone by better players in bigger minutes.

I would assume that Boychuk, Bartkowski and McQuaid all walk after next year. Boychuk because someone will offer him a truck of cash, Bartkowski because he is pretty replaceable by any number of the cheap young D the Bruins have coming up, and McQuaid because his replacement is already on the roster.

These leaves the Bruins with:

Chara - Hamilton
Seidenberg - XXX
Krug - Miller
XXX

Morrow, Trotman and Warsofsky are all candidates to fill those spots. Warsofsky is a bit redundant with Krug on the roster, so it really comes down to Morrow (who has the higher ceiling, but it sounds like he isn't a huge hockey sense guy, so there is some risk there) or Trotman. If neither Morrow or Trotman are ready to play top 4 minutes (totally possible) and no moves are made (unlikely) I could also see the Bruins following the Chicago model of defensive pairings (a shutdown pairing in Oduya and Hjalmarsson and an offensive pairing in Keith and Seabrook) with the following:

Chara - Seidenberg
Krug - Hamilton
XXX - Miller
XXX

Now, ideally, Krug is playing on your bottom pairing, although I have more faith than some he can be a net positive in top 4 minutes with some more experience, and you have a true two-way D playing with Hamilton. I think when you look ahead here, its clear why the Bruins were going after a two-way D like Edler. Something like the following would have been awesome.

Chara - Seidenberg
Edler - Hamilton
Krug - Miller

 

[acr*]

Since Chara is now a borderline #3 D, we should expect him to be a fringe NHLer in 2 years so:

Hamilton-Boychuk
Krug-Seidenberg
Warsofsky-Miller
Trotman/Chara

 

[ChargersRookie]

Did the Bruins trade O'Gara too?

 

[Blitzkrug]

I'm going to assume Chara is going to retire by that point (i'm probably wrong, but let's just say for argument's sake.)

Dougie/FA or trade pick up
Seidenberg/Krug
Trotman/Morrow

I suppose Boychuk could be the fill in at 2, but i have a feeling he'll be gone by that point.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

Did the Bruins trade O'Gara too?

When did Yale become good ? He won't be on the bruins in 2 years.

 

[acr*]

Chara/Hamilton
Seidenberg/?
Krug/Miller

Bart and Warsofsky will go through trades at some point this summer/season. McQuaid and Boychuck are both going to walk as UFA's next summer (maybe McQuaid is retained). Morrow will bust. Trotman/Arnesson/O'Gara fight for a spot at camp.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think a big question everyone is overlooking is: Where does Krug fit in? Why do we all assume he's going to be content to be a 3rd pair PP specialist? Couldn't he play (and get paid) like a top4 d on some teams already? What's the upside here... Does he have Brian Rafalski-type upside?

The kid's been a game breaker for us. I'd hate to lose that, but I'd assume a 3rd pair guy has a ceiling on what he can make in a cap world. I know Colt has suggested swapping him with Morrow (i.e. another offensive D) but you just can't know if Morrow is going to be the same player, with the same ability to step up in clutch situations like Krug has.

 

[77bestever*]

I think a big question everyone is overlooking is: Where does Krug fit in? Why do we all assume he's going to be content to be a 3rd pair PP specialist? Couldn't he play (and get paid) like a top4 d on some teams already? What's the upside here... Does he have Brian Rafalski-type upside?

The kid's been a game breaker for us. I'd hate to lose that, but I'd assume a 3rd pair guy has a ceiling on what he can make in a cap world. I know Colt has suggested swapping him with Morrow (i.e. another offensive D) but you just can't know if Morrow is going to be the same player, with the same ability to step up in clutch situations like Krug has.

His problem is he is one dimensional. He simply from what I see cannot handle guys between the circles, he is not very good retrieving pucks from corners and he forces passes in his own zone to often for my liking. He is dynamite in our O zone only on the PP. At full strength he is far less dangerous. He fills lanes nicely attacking the net on the PP and can pass up a man.....He is not a puck carrier from D zone to O zone. Pushed off the puck far to easily. If he was younger I say maybe he can get stronger but at 23-24....His frame is not getting there. He is KEY for us to get that 1A-2 type dman for DOUGIE to form a KIETH/SEABROOK type tandem going forward. Then we can have CHARA/JOHNNY
SEIDS/MILLER/....We have tons of chips in SPOONER (I have no faith he will ever play for the Bruins)....SUBBAN.....BART/McQUAID......Does CHIA pay KRUG 5 million for a specialist who cant do it all as a dman.....I say no way.

 

[Blitzkrug]

I think a big question everyone is overlooking is: Where does Krug fit in? Why do we all assume he's going to be content to be a 3rd pair PP specialist? Couldn't he play (and get paid) like a top4 d on some teams already? What's the upside here... Does he have Brian Rafalski-type upside?

The kid's been a game breaker for us. I'd hate to lose that, but I'd assume a 3rd pair guy has a ceiling on what he can make in a cap world. I know Colt has suggested swapping him with Morrow (i.e. another offensive D) but you just can't know if Morrow is going to be the same player, with the same ability to step up in clutch situations like Krug has.

I believe the next couple of years will answer this question. Give him a 2 year bridge deal and see if he can handle a top 4 role. For a smaller guy, his defense isn't bad (while not elite either, it's not a huge liability.) and his offensive game i would say is invaluable.

By giving him the bridge, you would have had a full three seasons to evaluate what exactly he's going to be. Then they can make a call if he's worth putting more money into.

His problem is he is one dimensional. He simply from what I see cannot handle guys between the circles, he is not very good retrieving pucks from corners and he forces passes in his own zone to often for my liking. He is dynamite in our O zone only on the PP. At full strength he is far less dangerous. He fills lanes nicely attacking the net on the PP and can pass up a man.....He is not a puck carrier from D zone to O zone. Pushed off the puck far to easily. If he was younger I say maybe he can get stronger but at 23-24....His frame is not getting there. He is KEY for us to get that 1A-2 type dman for DOUGIE to form a KIETH/SEABROOK type tandem going forward. Then we can have CHARA/JOHNNY
SEIDS/MILLER/....We have tons of chips in SPOONER (I have no faith he will ever play for the Bruins)....SUBBAN.....BART/McQUAID......Does CHIA pay KRUG 5 million for a specialist who cant do it all as a dman.....I say no way.

Again with the nonsense. Have you not watched Krug play?

 

[77bestever*]

I believe the next couple of years will answer this question. Give him a 2 year bridge deal and see if he can handle a top 4 role. For a smaller guy, his defense isn't bad (while not elite either, it's not a huge liability.) and his offensive game i would say is invaluable.

By giving him the bridge, you would have had a full three seasons to evaluate what exactly he's going to be. Then they can make a call if he's worth putting more money into.




Again with the nonsense. Have you not watched Krug play?

The real question here is have you ? Obviously with his name in your sign in you are a big FAN....And thats ok because we are all allowed to like a player. I used to like Sobotka but I did not think he was Stamkos just because I liked him. I suggest you wonder why he is never on the ice when we are up a goal late in games. Or watch some tape of some cross ice passes winding up in back of our net....Or watch him overpowered by bigger forwards stripping him of the puck powering to the net while he helplessly adjust's his chin strap...I said he is wonderful on the PP and attacking the net coming late.....You want me to tell you he is a complete player then sorry...I hate to break your heart. I know I am probably late but I suggest you get the tshirt for 20 bucs instead of the jersey for 150 bucs. Just sayin.

 

[Blitzkrug]

I saw a great OFD and an average defenseman. Those holes can be easily masked by sticking him with a defensive minded guy (Seidenberg) that can handle the physical aspect.

And you're calling me out on username? Yours is a bigger farce than mine considering that other guy who played defense for this team way back when. (This is coming from someone who loves Bourque too.)

If you think he's that worthless, then trade him. Be my guest. And then watch as our power play goes back to being complete trash and the team has trouble scoring goals due to the likely injection of young talent on the lower part of the team.

I also never said he's a complete player. Not sure where you got that.

 

[DKH]

http://blogs.southcoasttoday.com/bruins/2014/07/18/trotmans-deal-is-one-way-in-2015-16/

good read by mick. he has:

Z-dougie
seids-trotman
krug-miller

I see morrow as the guy over trotman, with seids easily sliding to the right side.

I see two things- they retain the big three vets for this year to maximize their pursuit of that second Stanley Cup; that's (3) and add in Hamilton and Krug, who can move the puck and are a nice balance; and McQuaid and Miller are hard nosed bottom 6 pairings. That's my top seven.

I think Bartkowski is moved unless Chiarelli gave him a NMC to agree on that deal. The others- Warsofsky, Morrow, Trotman will either be on the cusp on in Warsofsky case likely on another team.

next year is where it can go in a few directions- one is Boychuk leaves for a big payday and Trotman or Morrow moves in. The love Trotman seems to be getting makes me wonder just what do they think of Morrow?

Seidenberg and Chara are the foundation and have some form of NMC and all things considered pretty good contracts- especially Seidenberg. Dougie looks like the future star here- Krug is an elite PP specialist and very good third pairing player.

Mick occasionally gets it right and this looks like one of those times- not bad for a guy who has been around along enough to remember where he was when the Gary Unger-Red Berenson deal went down. (I kid Mick)

 

[DitClapper]

Chara and Seidenberg will absolutely be here for the next two years. I expect them to finish their 4 year contracts here. If I had to guess, something like this:

Chara-Hamilton
Morrow-Seidenberg
Krug-Miller

 

[DKH]

I think a big question everyone is overlooking is: Where does Krug fit in? Why do we all assume he's going to be content to be a 3rd pair PP specialist? Couldn't he play (and get paid) like a top4 d on some teams already? What's the upside here... Does he have Brian Rafalski-type upside?

The kid's been a game breaker for us. I'd hate to lose that, but I'd assume a 3rd pair guy has a ceiling on what he can make in a cap world. I know Colt has suggested swapping him with Morrow (i.e. another offensive D) but you just can't know if Morrow is going to be the same player, with the same ability to step up in clutch situations like Krug has.

true BUT Boston can worry about that later and see his body of work this season; he'll be signed and be back. We are projecting based on the known and unkown- after this season it will be more known category of who he is, what his role will be, what his contract looks like. I don't think he has yet to play 100 regular season games and he is very young still- he should continue to get better.

Teams are trending towards having one of this type of player- look at the recent draft with Dallas and Tamp taking Julius Honka and Anthony DeAngelo. These are two guys from the Torey Krug litter.

Sports are always evolving- when I was kid, NFL teams had two backs in the back field, no such thing as an edge rusher- the evolution of the DH, the bullpen specialists- and the NHL is going to the Krug-type power play specialist that can also play some five on five.

To me, Krug is very good at what he does and I hope he continues to put up 40+ points and improves his defense.

just to add, I am not sure he is a top four guy but he's certainly a top 6 with that elite skill for the power play or when you are down a goal and need to create offense.

You can cheat him into the top 4 at times but to categorize him I'd say third pairing but first PP, and a guy who's ice increases when needing a goal when trailing in the last 25 minutes of a game

 

[PlayMakers]

true BUT Boston can worry about that later and see his body of work this season; he'll be signed and be back. We are projecting based on the known and unkown- after this season it will be more known category of who he is, what his role will be, what his contract looks like. I don't think he has yet to play 100 regular season games and he is very young still- he should continue to get better.

Teams are trending towards having one of this type of player- look at the recent draft with Dallas and Tamp taking Julius Honka and Anthony DeAngelo. These are two guys from the Torey Krug litter.

Sports are always evolving- when I was kid, NFL teams had two backs in the back field, no such thing as an edge rusher- the evolution of the DH, the bullpen specialists- and the NHL is going to the Krug-type power play specialist that can also play some five on five.

To me, Krug is very good at what he does and I hope he continues to put up 40+ points and improves his defense.

just to add, I am not sure he is a top four guy but he's certainly a top 6 with that elite skill for the power play or when you are down a goal and need to create offense.

You can cheat him into the top 4 at times but to categorize him I'd say third pairing but first PP, and a guy who's ice increases when needing a goal when trailing in the last 25 minutes of a game

That's certainly what he is now, but he just turned 23 and I wouldn't be surprised to see his game evolve with experience. But, like you said, there's lots of time to figure that out. For now, he'll be signed and continue to be a key part of the team. Where he goes from there...

 

[finchster]

I think a big question everyone is overlooking is: Where does Krug fit in? Why do we all assume he's going to be content to be a 3rd pair PP specialist? Couldn't he play (and get paid) like a top4 d on some teams already? What's the upside here... Does he have Brian Rafalski-type upside?

The kid's been a game breaker for us. I'd hate to lose that, but I'd assume a 3rd pair guy has a ceiling on what he can make in a cap world. I know Colt has suggested swapping him with Morrow (i.e. another offensive D) but you just can't know if Morrow is going to be the same player, with the same ability to step up in clutch situations like Krug has.

My hope is Krug can get his defensive game to Rafalski level, he was another small offensive minded guy who really rounded his game later in his career. Sometimes we have this idea of the great two way defencemen stepped into the league that way, but some of the greats had to develop their defensive game. I believe the future of this team is Hamilton and Krug

Chara - Hamilton
Krug - Seidenberg
Warsofsky/Morrow/someone - Miller

 

[unifiedtheory]

Dougie---????? bigtime player whoever it is.
Boychuck--CHARA.........
Morrow--Trottman....I see this as a pairing only if Trottman is better then Miller
Bartkowski-Miller


Gone are SEIDS-McQUAID-KRUG.....

Chia wont pay Krug what he will want in two-three years for a one dimensional Dman.....

I have a feeling Trottman will grow into a solid number 4 guy,

Baertkowsi is a guy that can improve because he can skate and you cant teach that....You can teach positional play.

This is exactly what you posted in the other thread. This "big time" player of whom you speak is not attainable. Teams don't trade top pair defenseman unless they have obvious flaws, bad contracts, are old or you've offered a massive over payment.

Who is this elusive white whale? This top pair, left handed, all around defenseman we are getting. Name one who will be available. Don't say Alex Edler either, he was my idea from the previous thread and I was using him as a placeholder. If you think Edler and his contract and his AWFUL play for 2+ years can play in this clubs top pair I have a bridge to sell you. He should not be the target, ever.

Johnny Boychuk will not be a Bruin next season, let alone in two years, unless Chiarelli uses some sort of Jedi mind trick on his agent and gets him for 4.5 million. No Jedi mind trick? He hits UFA and is making $6 million in 15/16. If you think otherwise you have not been paying attention to UFA. He is one of the top defenseman who will be a free agent.

Where are you trading Seidenberg? He has a NTC and has a nice cap number for a top 4 defenseman. Seidenberg is a better player than Boychuk, yet you want to move one to make room for the other? I WOULD trade Seidenberg IF we could get Boychuk for 4-4.5 a year and IF we received a top 6 forward in return. Neither of those "IF" scenarios are reality.

You just said "Bartkowski can skate, you can't teach that but you can teach positional play". In the previous breath you are trading Torey Krug because he is "one dimensional"? Yes, he is one dimensional. I'll tell you what though, his "one dimension" improved the powerplay 20 spots in the rankings and he has skills that can't be taught either. I'll take his "one dimension" stashed in the bottom pair and playing top powerplay unit minutes over Matt Bartkowski's offensive blackhole, overmatched as a top 4 everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

Torey is under club control, there is no reason what so ever to trade the guy. None.

I said it earlier but you keep throwing a ????? next to Hamilton on the top pair. You are banging on this "get a top pair defenseman" drum but offering no names to put there. Give us names to aim for and scenarios where we could acquire said player. Give us a debate point, not just stuff thrown out there, hoping it all works out.

I'd love to toss out ideas but, I know acquiring a top pair defenseman is not as easy as "we need a top pair defenseman". Every single team in the league would love to add one.

I look at this defense:

Chara - Boychuk
Seidenberg - Hamilton
Miller - Krug
McQuaid or Bartkowski as the #7.

And I think, that's as good as we can do in the real World where salary cap restraints and lack of organizational depth up front make it possible for us too improve on the back end. As for two years from now? I see an aging Chara and Seidenberg. A very well paid, top pair in Dougie, a competent Torey Krug and a whole pile of question marks. We will need a Trotman and a Morrow to both hit or we could be ****ed.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

I think a big question everyone is overlooking is: Where does Krug fit in? Why do we all assume he's going to be content to be a 3rd pair PP specialist? Couldn't he play (and get paid) like a top4 d on some teams already? What's the upside here... Does he have Brian Rafalski-type upside?

The kid's been a game breaker for us. I'd hate to lose that, but I'd assume a 3rd pair guy has a ceiling on what he can make in a cap world. I know Colt has suggested swapping him with Morrow (i.e. another offensive D) but you just can't know if Morrow is going to be the same player, with the same ability to step up in clutch situations like Krug has.

I'm a huge Krug fan, I want to live in a world where both Krug and Morrow are on our team. I have a friend who has done some training with/on Krug and I can say with certainty that this guy is driven and does not see himself topping out as a PP specialist/ 3rd pairing guy. I've used the Rafalski comparison a few times the last few years because that is where I'm seeing Krug trending up to --he's going in the right direction for sure.