Brian Burke's media disaster, threatens Calgary may relocate + talk on concussions

ScoresFromCentre

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Is it weird that my immediate reaction to Burke's outburst was that if Ralph Klein hadn't cut Albertans those cheques back in 2006, the province could afford to build the arena? Maybe Calgary fans could each throw in $400 to help fund a new arena in honour of their former mayor? Call it Ralph Klein Place?

(I'm obviously being facetious--this kind of posturing by teams is beyond tiresome, and borderline offensive to taxpayers. Kudos to Nenshi for his dismissive response.)
 

CrashBartley

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This is Burke being his truculent self.
He made the same threat about moving the Canuck's when he was GM there. It's a common way of a child trying to get their own way. "I'm taking my ball and going home!!"
 

DJJones

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This is Burke being his truculent self.
He made the same threat about moving the Canuck's when he was GM there. It's a common way of a child trying to get their own way. "I'm taking my ball and going home!!"

When you look at the concussion comment as well I think he just got annoyed by the same question over and over when it was 100% clear to him what was going on.

1. Hockey is a violent sport and concussions are inevitable.

2. Without a new arena, the Flames won't stay here forever.

Too me those are facts. I appreciate someone not beating around the bush. Way better than listening to King whine, or Treliving talk cryptically about the damn process.
 

William Hylander

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Brian Burke talks the talk. And then he talks some more. And then he gets fired.

He's past his expiration date in Calgary.
 

pepty

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The success of Katz in Edmonton in strong arming the city has inspired the owners of the other teams unfortunately.
 

tony d

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Yeah, got to think these comments got Burke a talking to yesterday. I hope Calgary gets a new arena but absolutely no public funds to build it please.
 

DJJones

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Yeah, got to think these comments got Burke a talking to yesterday. I hope Calgary gets a new arena but absolutely no public funds to build it please.

Will never happen then. Flames will pay for the arena and the City will pay for all of the land, infrastructure and the fieldhouse(might just not build it).
 

caymanmew

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Interesting, I wonder where the top relo options would be. The team would have to stay in the West, so I think QC would be out of the question.

If Calgary has to relocate they wont be able to balance the conferences anyways so they might as well give QC a team.

NHL is going to want to expand to 32 teams and Arizona is going to need to be relocated soon. Add in Calgary and i don't see how you can have all 3 of those teams in the west.

The east is simply a bigger hockey market.
 

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That was certainly not pretty. I doubt Calgary leaves though. I think that's hot steam.

On the concussions, the NHL is going to get a MASSIVE lawsuit levied against it. This will be part of the evidence.
 

tarheelhockey

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Btw, this is Mayor Nenshi's reponse:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/flames-president-brian-burke-calgary-next-1.4150420

"This is me kind of shrugging," he said when asked for a reaction. "This is page 26 of the script. It's always page 26 of the script in every city, and my job now is, I'm supposed to go to page 27 and 28 in the script when I point out that Rogers has given them billions of dollars and they're not going to let them remove a team from a western Canadian market, that in order for them to go to Quebec, they'll have to sell the team to Pierre Karl Peladeau, and he's not going to give them a deal the way they're going to get in Calgary, blah, blah, blah. I'm not interested in doing that."

"Five out of the seven teams in Canada have privately owned rinks, only Edmonton and Calgary are publicly owned, and the Edmonton deal may have been right for Edmonton, where they desperately needed revitalization and construction in their downtown core, that is not the case in Calgary … so we have to find a new model."

That really is an outstanding response, even just from a political POV.
 

TheDoldrums

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http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/0...ont-have-an-arena-deal-anything-like-edmonton

Nenshi says he’s not dissing Edmonton.

“They had a very different situation. They had a derelict part of their city. They hadn’t had a skyscraper built in the downtown in who knows how long. They needed to try and really revitalize their downtown.

As someone with no connection to either city, I find the shots taken here entertaining.

Nenshi has more on the Edmonton deal, the one Nenshi says is not happening here.

“When you look at the Edmonton deal, it’s so opaque.

“How many people know the City of Edmonton actually pays money to the Oilers, millions of dollars every year, to be a sponsor of the Oilers?

"That was part of the deal. We’re not doing anything like that.”

Nenshi adds he could say some things. He then says them.

“I could say: Really, is Rogers, who is giving you all that money, going to be happy about you taking a team out of western Canada?”

He seems like a smart guy.
 

THall4

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Calgary is such a great city (I haven't lived there since 1998, but was back last August with my wife). I was thinking recently that something must be in the planning stages for a new arena. I'm just surprised to see that, evidently, nothing is.

Technically it in underway...this is all part of it.

Anyways, Brian Burke = Kevin Lowe 2.0 when you put a microphone in front of him. Just as crazy egotistical and delusional.
 

THall4

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The success of Katz in Edmonton in strong arming the city has inspired the owners of the other teams unfortunately.

On the business side it was a brilliant move by Katz. At the time former mayor Mandel showed his hand on wanting the arena not just for the Oilers but the revitalization of the cities downtown core...gave Katz all the leverage he needed.

Mind you, Katz Group still paid 200M into the arena...roughly half the cost.
 

hotpaws

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Brian Burke talks the talk. And then he talks some more. And then he gets fired.

He's past his expiration date in Calgary.

The worst part is the idiot never learns , it's the same **** he pulls in every market . You'd think by now he'd learn to shut the **** up and collect his pay check , unfortunately his need for attention overwhelms his common sense .
 

Paperbagofglory

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http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/0...ont-have-an-arena-deal-anything-like-edmonton



As someone with no connection to either city, I find the shots taken here entertaining.



He seems like a smart guy.

Its really not a burn. Edmonton's downtown is horrible and offensive. It makes bum town look like paradise. Its a neglected part of the city that people used to avoid every weekend, that was a problem, it was empty, smelly and the mall there is a ghost town that people avoid due to the high cost of parking.
 

ACC1224

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That was certainly not pretty. I doubt Calgary leaves though. I think that's hot steam.

On the concussions, the NHL is going to get a MASSIVE lawsuit levied against it. This will be part of the evidence.

Why? It's not like he revealed a secret, everyone knows you can get a concussion playing hockey.
 

TOGuy14

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As a fan I always enjoyed Brian Burke for his open talk.

As an owner you must absolutely hate his loose cannon mouth.
 

yababy

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why not just duplicate the Edmonton Rogers Place arena deal?


https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_plans/rogers_place/the-agreement.aspx

The City has entered into a series of agreements with the Edmonton Arena Corporation (EAC), owned by Daryl Katz, who also owns the Edmonton Oilers, to design, build, and operate Rogers Place.

These agreements achieve the following 4 objectives, which were identified during public consultation:

Protection of the City’s interests
Does not increase current municipal property taxes
Sustains the NHL in Edmonton
Provides public infrastructure as a catalyst for downtown revitalization
Summary of Financial Framework Terms
The total cost of the project will be $613.7-million. The entire project includes the arena, Winter Garden, Downtown Community Arena, LRT connection, pedestrian corridor and the land.

None of the sources of funding for Rogers Place or the associated infrastructure will result in an increase in municipal taxes.

Arena Operations
EAC will operate Rogers Place and pay all operating and maintenance expenses, and will receive all operating revenues, including naming rights and parking revenue.
Through a Council-approved tax agreement, EAC and affiliates will pay the City a maximum of $250,000 in municipal property taxes annually, for EAC arena operations that are open during event hours, and will be responsible for paying all required provincial Education Property Taxes. This tax agreement excludes areas held by third parties, public parking, gambling and restaurants, bars, and other retail and commercial operations operated outside of event hours or open to the general public.
The City will have access to the Arena and Winter Garden for up to 28 days a year, at EAC’s incremental cost. The City’s use will be for community purposes – not for commercial events.
Edmonton Oilers
Sustainability of NHL Hockey in Edmonton is a prime consideration.

A location agreement signed as part of the deal keeps the Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club in Edmonton for 35 years.
The City will enter into a marketing/branding partnership with the Edmonton Oilers to promote the City of Edmonton with the Oilers nationally and internationally at a cost of $2-million annually for 10 years.
Design and costing
The cost of design work is included in the $613.7-million budget for the entire project.
An on-budget Guaranteed Maximum Price (GMP) contract was effective in March 2014. A GMP is a cost-based contract where the contractor is paid a fixed fee subject to a ceiling price. The contractor is responsible for cost overruns.
Land
The City bought the land for the arena project, which is included in the $613.7-million cost for the entire project. The cost of the land was $26.5-million.
Lease
The EAC has first right to negotiate up to three lease extensions for 10 years, and has the first right of refusal on any subsequent lease or land/building sale.
Community Benefits
The Community Benefits will be included within a schedule as part of the Master Agreement, acknowledging the activities of the Oilers Community Foundation.
A Community Advisory Committee meets on a quarterly basis to identify and address community issues.
A senior member of the Oiler’s operations serves on the Community Advisory Committee.
There will be provision for development/facilitation of training or employment for low-income/high-need Edmontonians.
 

Tkachuk Norris

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It's funny because a few weeks ago the city almost unanimously agreed the city's top priority is a new stadium.

The stampede has land right beside the saddledome, which already has the neccasary public transit. They are willing to flop the land to the city for an equal sized land holding in the area...

Basically our owners/management are like, "we don't want a $500 million dollar stadium like everyone else, we want a brand new billion dollar one. On this spot that's going to take 500 million to cleanup. And you're paying for it... or else we're moving... even though we've been a top 5-10 revenue team the last decade"

:laugh:
 

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