Player Discussion Brett Ritchie

[RussellmaniaKW]

if this guy's purpose is to keep opposing players honest then I'm fine with it but he needs to be playing 8 minutes on line 4, not on line 2

 

[PB37]

I'm sure there will be times they get knocked around, but I haven't seen Ritchie hurt the team thus far. Just thought it was odd the leagues premier enforcer let that slide. Like I said before the game he's losing his fastball.

He let Kane run amuck in the last preseason game until Kane got hinself kicked out. Heck, even the Sharks goaltender got into it and hit Stone with an open ice hit.

 

[maxl7]

A brief look at the team's results when Ritchie is on the ice:
https://evolving-hockey.com/?_input...team="BOS"&std_sk_toi="1"&std_sk_type="Rates"


It's a yikes from me, dawg

 

[ODAAT]

Very interesting that Reaves did nothing all game after Ritchie got called.

I don`t think Reaves really plays that way. If Ritchie took a huge run at Fleury then I`d wager Reaves would have had a "conversation" with him but that wasn`t a play where it was clear the intent was to run over Fleury. Clearly Reaves is more than willing to go with anyone but I`ve never viewed him as a player who over reacts.....unless it`s Kane then anything goes

Gotta be honest, Reaves does next to nothing on the ice most nights that I get to see the Knights play which is quite a bit out here

Haven`t had too much issue with Ritchie`s game so far

 

[LouJersey]

A brief look at the team's results when Ritchie is on the ice:
https://evolving-hockey.com/?_inputs_&dir="Skater Tables"&std_sk_adj="Score & Venue"&std_sk_group="Team, Season"&std_sk_players="Brett Ritchie"&std_sk_pos="All"&std_sk_range="Seasons"&std_sk_season="20192020"&std_sk_span="Regular"&std_sk_str="5v5"&std_sk_table="On-Ice"&std_sk_team="BOS"&std_sk_toi="1"&std_sk_type="Rates"


It's a yikes from me, dawg

So what I got out of that is the Bruins average 2 goals scored per 60 min with Ritchie on the ice, and allow 0 goals allowed per 60. I'll take it.

 

[maxl7]

So what I got out of that is the Bruins average 2 goals scored per 60 min with Ritchie on the ice, and allow 0 goals allowed per 60. I'll take it.

While allowing over twice as many shots on goal as they generate. That's not sustainable for a good goal differential. Couple that with an expected goals against of 4 (!!!!)...there's some regression due if Ritchie stays in the lineup.

 

[LouJersey]

More advanced stats.... Ritchie has been on ice for 3 bruins goals scored (team has scored all of 7) and hasn't been on ice when the opponents scored.

 

[LouJersey]

While allowing over twice as many shots on goal as they generate. That's not sustainable for a good goal differential. Couple that with an expected goals against of 4 (!!!!)...there's some regression due if Ritchie stays in the lineup.

Not all shots on goal are created equal.

 

[ODAAT]

More advanced stats.... Ritchie has been on ice for 3 bruins goals scored (team has scored all of 7) and hasn't been on ice when the opponents scored.

I haven`t seen Ritchie do anything particularly stellar nor have I seen him do anything that hurt the team, $700,000, I`ll take it, on the flipside, a guy I really like in Debrusk needs to wake up, I know I`m not allowed to criticize him here but I want more from this kid because I know it`s in him. Doesn`t mean I expect him to be on a 50 goal pace but he can bring more

 

[LouJersey]

I haven`t seen Ritchie do anything particularly stellar nor have I seen him do anything that hurt the team, $700,000, I`ll take it, on the flipside, a guy I really like in Debrusk needs to wake up, I know I`m not allowed to criticize him here but I want more from this kid because I know it`s in him. Doesn`t mean I expect him to be on a 50 goal pace but he can bring more

yeah I pretty much laugh at DeBrusk if he and his camp are looking for a long term deal or even a short one like ADB or those other guys got.

 

[maxl7]

Not all shots on goal are created equal.

That's why we look at expected goals, which account for shot type, location, game state, etc.

But also, goals are random events. You keep bleeding shots against, it doesn't matter the quality, some of them are gonna go in. The best strategy is to limit all shots against as much as possible.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

So what I got out of that is the Bruins average 2 goals scored per 60 min with Ritchie on the ice, and allow 0 goals allowed per 60. I'll take it.

the Bruins have scored 7 total goals this year. That's way too little data to draw conclusions about the overall quality of a player or his impact on the games. Hell one of those goals was a bit of a softie that Ritchie scored. If his line is consistently getting out-shot or out-attempted when he's on the ice then eventually that GF ratio is gonna swing the other way because teams (or lines) typically don't outscore opponents when consistently spending more time in their own zone than in the other zone.

I think it's too early to draw conclusions from the advanced stats either fwiw. With that said the eye test to me says he has been pretty hit or miss. He's had a few smart plays & good shifts where he has been quick on pucks, forechecked well, etc. but then had plenty of shifts where the play has just died on his stick because from what I've seen so far he doesn't have the hockey IQ or the hands to keep up with the likes of Krejci or Coyle when the Bruins have the puck.

 

[Saxon Eric]

yeah I pretty much laugh at DeBrusk if he and his camp are looking for a long term deal or even a short one like ADB or those other guys got.

He could have 5 goals this time next week,you just don't know with that guy

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

While allowing over twice as many shots on goal as they generate. That's not sustainable for a good goal differential. Couple that with an expected goals against of 4 (!!!!)...there's some regression due if Ritchie stays in the lineup.

plus if they insist on rolling him out there with Krejci & Debrusk then he's dragging down two of our most important offensive players.

 

[LouJersey]

the Bruins have scored 7 total goals this year. That's way too little data to draw conclusions about the overall quality of a player or his impact on the games. Hell one of those goals was a bit of a softie that Ritchie scored. If his line is consistently getting out-shot or out-attempted when he's on the ice then eventually that GF ratio is gonna swing the other way because teams (or lines) typically don't outscore opponents when consistently spending more time in their own zone than in the other zone.

I think it's too early to draw conclusions from the advanced stats either fwiw. With that said the eye test to me says he has been pretty hit or miss. He's had a few smart plays & good shifts where he has been quick on pucks, forechecked well, etc. but then had plenty of shifts where the play has just died on his stick because from what I've seen so far he doesn't have the hockey IQ or the hands to keep up with the likes of Krejci or Coyle when the Bruins have the puck.

He shouldn't really be with Krejci or Coyle IMO....that's part of the issue.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

A brief look at the team's results when Ritchie is on the ice:
https://evolving-hockey.com/?_inputs_&dir="Skater Tables"&std_sk_adj="Score & Venue"&std_sk_group="Team, Season"&std_sk_players="Brett Ritchie"&std_sk_pos="All"&std_sk_range="Seasons"&std_sk_season="20192020"&std_sk_span="Regular"&std_sk_str="5v5"&std_sk_table="On-Ice"&std_sk_team="BOS"&std_sk_toi="1"&std_sk_type="Rates"


It's a yikes from me, dawg

Expected Goals Against per 60
4.07

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

yeah I pretty much laugh at DeBrusk if he and his camp are looking for a long term deal or even a short one like ADB or those other guys got.

I think he plays better with Coyle.

But so far this year EVERYONE plays better with Coyle

 

[LouJersey]

I think he plays better with Coyle.

But so far this year EVERYONE plays better with Coyle

Coyle matching up against the third best line on your opponent is one of the bigger mismatches in the sport right now.

 

[ODAAT]

Coyle matching up against the third best line on your opponent is one of the bigger mismatches in the sport right now.

Agreed and while not ideal, if there are times when they get caught out their with an opponents top line or top 2 lines, I don`t worry too much, both he and Heinen play a very smart 200 ft game but ideally, to have him out there vs the opponents bottom 6 is simply a mismatch 9 time outta 10

 

[PB37]

While allowing over twice as many shots on goal as they generate. That's not sustainable for a good goal differential. Couple that with an expected goals against of 4 (!!!!)...there's some regression due if Ritchie stays in the lineup.

against Vegas with Ritchie on the ice, shots were 12-2 in favor of Vegas.

 

[ODAAT]

against Vegas with Ritchie on the ice, shots were 12-2 in favor of Vegas.

all Ritchie`s doing of course?

 

[BruinDust]

He shouldn't really be with Krejci or Coyle IMO....that's part of the issue.

And the other part is he really doesn't belong on what Cassidy wants the Kuraly line to be.

Cassidy wants the Kuraly line, above all else IMO, to be safe to put out against any opposing line in any zone. It allows him to use the Bergeron line in a more offensive role. So he needs to trust all 3 players on that 4th line defensively. And I don't think he's there yet with Ritchie, same as he wasn't with Backes most of last year.

Both guys (Ritchie and Backes) don't really fit what Cassidy is trying to do. When healthy he'll put Nordstrom back with Kuraly and Wagner. Neither Ritchie or Backes belong on the Krejci or Coyle lines like you said. They don't really belong on any line the way this coaches uses his 4 groups.

 

[maxl7]

against Vegas with Ritchie on the ice, shots were 12-2 in favor of Vegas.

 

[Dr Hook]

And the other part is he really doesn't belong on what Cassidy wants the Kuraly line to be.

Cassidy wants the Kuraly line, above all else IMO, to be safe to put out against any opposing line in any zone. It allows him to use the Bergeron line in a more offensive role. So he needs to trust all 3 players on that 4th line defensively. And I don't think he's there yet with Ritchie, same as he wasn't with Backes most of last year.

Both guys (Ritchie and Backes) don't really fit what Cassidy is trying to do. When healthy he'll put Nordstrom back with Kuraly and Wagner. Neither Ritchie or Backes belong on the Krejci or Coyle lines like you said. They don't really belong on any line the way this coaches uses his 4 groups.

You know what the answer is, don't you? Just say it: PAR LINDHOLM!!!!

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Will be interesting to see when they start dressing a smaller lineup

May be a little smaller but will be faster. Nordstrom isn't short. He's 6'1" 195 lbs. So he theoretically replaces either Backes or Ritchie. I don't see the big loss here.