Brent Burns Vs Ryan Suter

[olli]

Who do you take going forward including contracts?

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[VoluntaryDom]

I’ll take Suter. Good poll.

 

[Regal]

I'd take Burns for the next couple years but I have more confidence in Suter's game aging well to the point I'd take him I'd take him over the full contract

 

[tony d]

Give me Suter here.

 

[Voight]

Suter was having another fine season until he was hurt. Seriously, the guy is super underrated.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Suter was having another fine season until he was hurt. Seriously, the guy is super underrated.

Am I underrating him when I say he is around the 8-15th best defenseman?

 

[silkyjohnson50]

Am I underrating him when I say he is around the 8-15th best defenseman?

Probably not, although I'd move it closer to 5-12.

I think what separates Suter from a lot of guys though is consistency. He doesn't have the peaks of some defencemen, but he also doesn't have the valleys. Very good defensively, very good and smart passer, logs huge minutes and plays in all situations. He's a poor man's Lidstrom without the shooting ability from the point.

I think if you go back the past 10 years, you'd have a hard time picking more than a handful of guys who have been more valuable throughout that entire stretch. Year in and year out he's a Top 10, Top 5 guy.

 

[Evergreen]

You couldn’t take the time to tell us what their contracts are?

 

[ThatGuy22]

You couldn’t take the time to tell us what their contracts are?

They are practically identical at this point. 7 years left with 7.5m (suter) and 8m (Burns) AAV.

 

[topshelf15]

Tough poll,one is a defensive stalwart...The other is a two way beast....Give me Suter by a hair

 

[olli]

Tough poll,one is a defensive stalwart...The other is a two way beast....Give me Suter by a hair

Burns isn't good enough defensively to be a two way beast. He's an offensive beast. Suter is more a two way beast than Burns.

 

[biturbo19]

Probably not, although I'd move it closer to 5-12.

I think what separates Suter from a lot of guys though is consistency. He doesn't have the peaks of some defencemen, but he also doesn't have the valleys. Very good defensively, very good and smart passer, logs huge minutes and plays in all situations. He's a poor man's Lidstrom without the shooting ability from the point.

I think if you go back the past 10 years, you'd have a hard time picking more than a handful of guys who have been more valuable throughout that entire stretch. Year in and year out he's a Top 10, Top 5 guy.

Yeah. That consistency is big.

I think Suter has a pretty big edge in his ability to really carry a pairing. You don't always see it because Spurgeon, but he has that ability to stabilize a pairing. While taking on harder minutes as well. I value that quite a bit, over the edge that Burns has as a dynamic offensive catalyst. It's not like Suter isn't a superb puck-mover and point producer himself.

 

[topshelf15]

Burns isn't good enough defensively to be a two way beast. He's an offensive beast. Suter is more a two way beast than Burns.

My bad i confused Burns with Vlassic

 

[Buddlee]

Ryan Suter

 

[AKL]

My bad i confused Burns with Vlassic

Well that’s not something that happens often

 

[silkyjohnson50]

My bad i confused Burns with Vlassic

I wouldn't quite call Vlasic a 2-way beast either.

 

[olli]

I wouldn't quite call Vlasic a 2-way beast either.

I think he was calling Vlasic the defensive stalwart.

 

[AKL]

I wouldn't quite call Vlasic a 2-way beast either.

Is this sarcasm?

 

[silkyjohnson50]

Is this sarcasm?

No?

I'd expect a 2-way beast to at least once crack the Top 25 in defencemen scoring in any given season.

 

[AKL]

No?

I'd expect a 2-way beast to at least once crack the Top 25 in defencemen scoring in any given season.

Suter was the 2-way beast, Vlasic was the defensive stalwart.

 

[2Pair]

Am I underrating him when I say he is around the 8-15th best defenseman?

yes. 8 is the low end not the high end of where he ranks

 

[Hockeyholic]

Id be interested to see who'd win a Keith vs Doughty poll ( For overall careers).

 

[olli]

Id be interested to see who'd win a Keith vs Doughty poll ( For overall careers).

Just made one! I'd say Doughty by the time they both retire.