Just because a penalty isn't assessed doesn't mean that the play was legal. That kind of argument is bogus. It always has been. It always will be. Quite simply, you're making a contradictory argument when you sit there and say that Dillon is playing hard but Bowey wasn't yet still say Dillon's the only one that did. That hit was late and high and those penalties are always a matter of opinion. Bowey doesn't have to eat anything because in that stage of the game he's not required to go into fetch the puck. For every garbage insult you want to throw at a Sharks player, there's a Cap player guilty of that same crap throughout the course of the game so stop pretending like you and your team are above the whole thing. They very clearly are not.
Brenden Dillon slash on Madison Bowey (UPD: One game suspension)
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Just because a penalty isn't assessed doesn't mean that the play was legal. That kind of argument is bogus. It always has been. It always will be. Quite simply, you're making a contradictory argument when you sit there and say that Dillon is playing hard but Bowey wasn't yet still say Dillon's the only one that did. That hit was late and high and those penalties are always a matter of opinion. Bowey doesn't have to eat anything because in that stage of the game he's not required to go into fetch the puck. For every garbage insult you want to throw at a Sharks player, there's a Cap player guilty of that same crap throughout the course of the game so stop pretending like you and your team are above the whole thing. They very clearly are not.
By your criteria anyone playing anyone else hard ending with both players throwing down is an instigator. He probably didn't counter it because of how patently absurd it is.
No, it actually isn't. That's just you creating a straw man because you have no counter to it because you're flat out wrong.
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BaileyMacTavish
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D-men slowing down players coming into their zone happens dozens of times every game. Cross-checking them into the boards isn't how it "should" be played - especially with 11 seconds left in a poorly officiated/chippy game. The notion that the reaction should be ignored in the context of the action is homerism at its finest.
What you described is indistinguishable from playing a guy hard to take him off his game. If that's an instigator Ryan Kesler deserves 2 minutes every time he steps on the ice. The fact that me merely restating your argument gets you to see it as a strawman just highlights what a pile of garbage it originally was.
Instigating is giving the other player no choice other than to fight or be beaten up, not playing him hard.
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Probably the reason why it wasn't more than one game. Dillon had a reason to get ornery there, but two handing a guy on the wrist is dangerous and in a season they are cutting down on even minor slashing, you gotta figure they'd do something.
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Thorton made a debatable hit and had no problem with the fight. Mean while the rest of the team and some of their fans are loosing their damn minds. Thinly veiled approval of a two hand baseball swing for a run of the mill cross check at worst? Funny that no Sharks fans are admonishing Meirer(sp?) for trying to start crap after the whistle with about 90 seconds left and down by 3 goals, but Bowey making a semi physical play with 11 seconds left justifies the swing?
When it comes to Wilson/Thornton, no instigating is not simply giving the other player no choice. There is a wide latitude for officials when it comes to making that call. When a guy jumps on the ice and does nothing but challenge another especially because he's looking for retribution on a previous incident, that is instigating by the freaking rulebook. Wilson wasn't playing Thornton hard. He was following him to get him to drop his whole shift and it wasn't some quick challenge, decline, and move on. It was persistent. Thornton finally accepting has no relevance to whether an instigator is to be called in that situation. The fact is the refs failed to do their jobs appropriately and the Caps got the benefit from it. Didn't change the game any but it's yet another instance of incompetent officiating that had been plaguing the Sharks on the road trip in this game and the previous two. Things boiled over for them because of it.
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No one is approving the slash. Either remove your head from the sand or brush up on reading comprehension.
People are acting like Dillon took a swing at him totally unprovoked, which clearly wasn't the case. Dillon had a right to react to Bowie's play, he just went about it wrong.
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Congrats on learning a new term: "straw man". Although since I never actually said you blamed the Sharks loss on the refs, it can't be a "straw argument". It was a good try though. So proud of you stretching out to try and learn new things. Now, if you could just contextualize them and use them appropriately you'll be able to close that loop.
You never actually said I blamed the Sharks loss but when you specifically point out that the Sharks didn't lose because of the refs in direct response to me then the straw man argument is still created no matter what you try to say to try and pretend like you didn't. That kind of a joke response is what happens when you don't have a substantive response anymore. It was absolutely used appropriately and you have no intelligent response so you resort to this weak response of yours.
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Wait what provoked Dillon, a different play? or we talking about the same play cause I saw nothing that deserved retaliation in the video, just a pretty normal text book interference by bowie.
Quid Pro Clowe
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Are you purposely ignoring the context? 4-1 game with less than 10 seconds left. Of course interfering and getting your hands up on a guy is going to cause a reaction.
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Games are 60 mins not 59 mins and and 50 seconds, if Dillon let up that's his fault. Not to mention the game was fairly chippy(Jumbo joes dirty hit on oshie etc), of course caps are going to play to the last whistle, and honestly what bowie did was pretty casual... I don't think id call it a play needed to be "reacted" too... you already lost 4-1 why make it worse.
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Sure, but that's a huge overreaction. Oh no, Bowey shoved me into the boards with 10 seconds left in a 4-1 game. Quick, I better attempt to break his wrist by whacking him with my hockey stick!
Quid Pro Clowe
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I've said the entire time the slash was bad. He should have just skated up to him and engaged him if he wanted to fight. Probably wouldn't have but he could have gotten some frustration out in a scrum and avoided suspension.
Alexander the Gr8
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Ok then we're saying the same thing. Being frustrated is not an excuse for trying to injure your opponent.
Quid Pro Clowe
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It was a chippy game, which is why a play like Bowie' that late is going to generate a reaction. Games like this or rivalry games always do when a play like that is made. Was it one that deserved a baseball swing? Absolutely not, but you seriously can't expect a guy like Dillon to just skate away there.
Quid Pro Clowe
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Exactly. Ask for a fight or get some gloves punches in before teammates and refs convene.
