Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Larcos_Unal]

I would have Lily spend a few days with Chris Pronger. Teams target Lily and he takes a beating. He needs to learn to be a mfkr. Spear, slash, elbow, anything that will get players thinking twice about dumping the puck in his corner. As it stands, nobody is afraid or intimidated by Lily and he just ends up being a victim.

You can't hang out with a tough guy and become tougher, it's either in you or it isn't.
Freddie The Goat was 6'5 240lbs and he was as dangerous as my 12 year old son.

No chance Lily suddenly grows balls, this is who he is.

 

[colchar]

Dubas was nobody's hero, and nobody is "zombie lobbying". . . He was, however, a good GM

What he did in the Soo doesn't count.

 

[mapleleaf979]

I used to like Kampf but no way do you pay a 4th line C $2.4 M. The Leafs have a junk team because they overpay everyone. How long did Las Vegas take to win a cup? Toronto is not close.

Agreed, 2.4 is steep for a 4c. Kampf is really soft. Id prefer bigger bodies in the bottom 6 that finish checks and play gritty 2 way hockey.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I used to like Kampf but no way do you pay a 4th line C $2.4 M. The Leafs have a junk team because they overpay everyone. How long did Las Vegas take to win a cup? Toronto is not close.

See I don't know that I agree I think with the right chances this summer they could be legitimate contenders.

They have already taken a positive step by firing Keefe.

That alone puts them closer to contention

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Dubas was, however, a good GM

You don't spend 40.4 AAV on 4 forwards. No money left for D or G. NO ONE DOES THIS BUT THE LEAFS.

Next year it's 46.65 on 4 forwards, no D/G.

Dubas is ridiculous to think this is a well constructed plan.

This is his design and his failure.

FAILURE BY DESIGN.

It is a failure to spend that much money on 4 forwards. LET ALONE THESE 4 forwards !

Comedy level construction from a newbie GM.

It's great Shanny gave Kyle and Keefe their first jobs. Cool story bro. But it was a catastrophic failure. What kind of President would do that ? A rookie president like Shanny.

 

[darrylsittler27]

See I don't know that I agree I think with the right chances this summer they could be legitimate contenders.

They have already taken a positive step by firing Keefe.

That alone puts them closer to contention

They are four players away from being close.2 are top 3 dmen and one a proven goalie. The other is a real number 2 Centreman. The standard isn't beat Boston finally. It's Florida and Nyr just to get there.

 

[hullsy47]

You don't spend 40.4 AAV on 4 forwards. No money left for D or G. NO ONE DOES THIS BUT THE LEAFS.

Next year it's 46.65 on 4 forwards, no D/G.

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Dubas is ridiculous to think this is a well constructed plan.

This is his design and his failure.

FAILURE BY DESIGN.

It is a failure to spend that much money on 4 forwards. LET ALONE THESE 4 forwards !

Comedy level construction from a newbie GM.

It's great Shanny gave Kyle and Keefe their first jobs. Cool story bro. But it was a catastrophic failure.

how did anyone think that could work

 

[HamiltonNHL]

how did anyone think that could work

Nobody really.

People wondered how Dubas could sign Matthews, Marner and Nylander as they were going to command alot of money. People felt like they all could not be signed, because it would be too expensive.

The people were right, Dubas was wrong.

Kyle learned some key lessons. #1 rookie GMs are a stupid idea. #2 rookie coaches don't help. #3 Corsi (based on the regular season) breaks down in playoff hockey because the game changes. #4 Success in the Soo isn't NHL success.

 

[notDatsyuk]

how did anyone think that could work

Even stranger, how can anyone still support the person who created that mess, especially after suffering through the results?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Next year it's 46.65 on 4 forwards, no D/G.

That was Treliving's choice.

Dubas is ridiculous to think this is a well constructed plan.

I'm not sure how people still think that it was ever the plan for them to take up that percentage. Even Treliving came out and reminded you guys that it was never the plan. Multiple times. We did the same thing as everybody else, building around our top players. The only difference is that the league ran into an unexpected multi-year flat cap right after we signed all of ours, which has kept the percentage elevated. And at that point, there wasn't a good solution. You don't trade two of the best early-20s players in the cap era. You can't trade Tavares, because he has a NMC and specifically chose to come here. Nylander was the cheapest, and trading him wouldn't have accomplished much. What we did instead, was build great teams despite it through good GMing.

This is his design

Isn't it interesting how the blame shifts from Shanahan to the GM depending on who we're discussing.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

That was Treliving's choice.

He's dumping Marner.
Marner knows it.

Marner is the "Sells Jerseys" boy.
It's plainly obvious.

 

[Trapper]

You don't spend 40.4 AAV on 4 forwards. No money left for D or G. NO ONE DOES THIS BUT THE LEAFS.

Next year it's 46.65 on 4 forwards, no D/G.

View attachment 869761

Dubas is ridiculous to think this is a well constructed plan.

This is his design and his failure.

FAILURE BY DESIGN.

It is a failure to spend that much money on 4 forwards. LET ALONE THESE 4 forwards !

Comedy level construction from a newbie GM.

It's great Shanny gave Kyle and Keefe their first jobs. Cool story bro. But it was a catastrophic failure. What kind of President would do that ? A rookie president like Shanny.

lol next year everyone on that list makes double digits and the guy up for a new UFA contract is now the lowest paid.
Yeah, this will end well.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He's dumping Marner.

In which case, your projected total would never exist. But hopefully, if it comes to it, Marner uses his NMC and prevents Treliving from really destroying this team.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Yeah, this will end well.

It's untenable.
Marner HAS to Go.

Why would Tre handicap himself keeping Dubas' buddy Marner ?

He wont.

Sign Marner = Cap hell forever.

Move him after the glove throwing, etc.

Just sick the media you control on him.

In which case, your projected total would never exist. But hopefully, Marner uses his NMC and prevents Treliving from really destroying this team.

LOL.

This team sucks and you want to keep it.

Painful.

If Marner stays, wait til you see the opening day roster. It'll be so bad, you'll know then Marner has to go.

THIS TEAM WILL NEVER WIN IF THEY KEEP MARNER. It's that simple. Moving him at least brings hope.

 

[keonsbitterness]

In which case, your projected total would never exist. But hopefully, if it comes to it, Marner uses his NMC and prevents Treliving from really destroying this team.

Great point. Better that we lose him for nothing.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Better that we lose him for nothing.

Better to not lose him at all.

If Marner stays, wait til you see the opening day roster. It'll be so bad, you'll know then Marner has to go.

If the opening day roster is bad, I'll know that Treliving has to go, not Marner.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Better to not lose him at all.

Another great point. We can't have you be less competitive in your regular season analytics pool.

 

[Nineteen67]

You don't spend 40.4 AAV on 4 forwards. No money left for D or G. NO ONE DOES THIS BUT THE LEAFS.

Next year it's 46.65 on 4 forwards, no D/G.

View attachment 869761

Dubas is ridiculous to think this is a well constructed plan.

This is his design and his failure.

FAILURE BY DESIGN.

It is a failure to spend that much money on 4 forwards. LET ALONE THESE 4 forwards !

Comedy level construction from a newbie GM.

It's great Shanny gave Kyle and Keefe their first jobs. Cool story bro. But it was a catastrophic failure. What kind of President would do that ? A rookie president like Shanny.

Dubas overpaid both Matthews and Marner and neither have been close to good enough. I’ve seen nothing to indicate either player ever will be close to good enough, therefore both players have to be on the table.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Another great point. We can't have you be less competitive in your regular season analytics pool.

The issue is Treliving making us less competitive in the NHL.

 

[keonsbitterness]

The issue is Treliving making us less competitive in the NHL.

Yet another great point! Hopefully he won't trade for Erik Karlsson.

 

[notDatsyuk]

That was Treliving's choice.

I'm not sure how people still think that it was ever the plan for them to take up that percentage. Even Treliving came out and reminded you guys that it was never the plan. Multiple times. We did the same thing as everybody else, building around our top players. The only difference is that the league ran into an unexpected multi-year flat cap right after we signed all of ours, which has kept the percentage elevated. And at that point, there wasn't a good solution. You don't trade two of the best early-20s players in the cap era. You can't trade Tavares, because he has a NMC and specifically chose to come here. Nylander was the cheapest, and trading him wouldn't have accomplished much. What we did instead, was build great teams despite it through good GMing.

Isn't it interesting how the blame shifts from Shanahan to the GM depending on who we're discussing.

The spinmaster strikes again!

The point is not the actual % of cap, it was the stupidity of four highly paid forwards and consequently poorer D.

Please explain (or better yet, don't) how Treliving signed a 2C for $11M and then overpaid two more forwards on RFA contracts, five years before he was hired here.

All Tre has done is re-sign the two best players (to small overpayments, unfortunately based on the precedence set), and try to fix the other issues.

We'll see if he can fix the two worst contracts handed out by his predecessor, or if he is stuck waiting another year for them to expire.

We don't know how much of the fiasco is on Shanahan and how much is on Dubas, but it's blatantly obvious that none Is on Tre. His worst mistakes so far are not trading Marner before his NMC kicked in, and not firing Keefe last year. Both get a bit of a pass because of the short time frame he had.

 

[Trapper]

The spinmaster strikes again!

The point is not the actual % of cap, it was the stupidity of four highly paid forwards and consequently poorer D.

Please explain (or better yet, don't) how Treliving signed a 2C for $11M and then overpaid two more forwards on RFA contracts, five years before he was hired here.

All Tre has done is re-sign the two best players (to small overpayments, unfortunately based on the precedence set), and try to fix the other issues.

We'll see if he can fix the two worst contracts handed out by his predecessor, or if he is stuck waiting another year for them to expire.

We don't know how much of the fiasco is on Shanahan and how much is on Dubas, but it's blatantly obvious that none Is on Tre. His worst mistakes so far are not trading Marner before his NMC kicked in, and not firing Keefe last year. Both get a bit of a pass because of the short time frame he had.

Getting rid of 2 of the 4 will allow us to take cap control back and reshape the culture to a more blue collar play we saw in games 5-7.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Sorry, guys - I'm as guilty as anyone, but we really have to stop feeding the troll.

 

[OddyOh]

Dubas is ridiculous to think this is a well constructed plan.

Dubas grew up playing NHL '94 with line changes turned off, he thought you only needed 5 guys to play the whole game.

 

[Nineteen67]

Getting rid of 2 of the 4 will allow us to take cap control back and reshape the culture to a more blue collar play we saw in games 5-7.

And when JTs contract expires they’d have another 11 million. Got to make good trades or it’s a complete rebuild and they may as well include Willy.