The Winter Soldier
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I found this tweet touching from JVR. Kind of tells you how likeable Bozie is. He is the ultimate glue guy.
What I find interesting is asking who has more value. Bozak or Schenn? I think it's safe to say that Bozak had more value because of his defensive responsibility and his faceoff numbers, but Schenn's ability to be a physical presence AND have the potential to be dynamic offensively is interesting. If we can lock up Petro and Schenn to respectable contracts, you do it, but then you have to ask who is more valuable, Bozak or Schenn?
Depends on what you think is more important. If you think he's more valuable based on potential, then yea, I would have to agree. But Bozak outscored him these playoffs, tied him on pp points (not hard), had a higher faceoff %, tied him in goals, and played pretty good shutdown cycle hockey. Schenn, if he played up to his potential in these playoffs, would obviously be the more valuable player to your roster, but he will command a higher salary and could be pretty steep depending what happens next year. Oh, I forgot to mention Schenn had an immense physical impact, more than doubling Bozak's number in hits. I think that is valuable in the playoffs and it showed.I don’t think this is even debatable. Schenn is clearly more valuable & the better player.
Depends on what you think is more important. If you think he's more valuable based on potential, then yea, I would have to agree. But Bozak outscored him these playoffs, tied him on pp points (not hard), had a higher faceoff %, tied him in goals, and played pretty good shutdown cycle hockey. Schenn, if he played up to his potential in these playoffs, would obviously be the more valuable player to your roster, but he will command a higher salary and could be pretty steep depending what happens next year. Oh, I forgot to mention Schenn had an immense physical impact, more than doubling Bozak's number in hits. I think that is valuable in the playoffs and it showed.
My point is whether you want to agree or not, I believe they are closer in value rather than further, or at least as it stands right now.
Schenn’s line drew tougher matchups for most of the postseason, and did a good job neutralizing the opponents best players too.Depends on what you think is more important. If you think he's more valuable based on potential, then yea, I would have to agree. But Bozak outscored him these playoffs, tied him on pp points (not hard), had a higher faceoff %, tied him in goals, and played pretty good shutdown cycle hockey. Schenn, if he played up to his potential in these playoffs, would obviously be the more valuable player to your roster, but he will command a higher salary and could be pretty steep depending what happens next year. Oh, I forgot to mention Schenn had an immense physical impact, more than doubling Bozak's number in hits. I think that is valuable in the playoffs and it showed.
My point is whether you want to agree or not, I believe they are closer in value rather than further, or at least as it stands right now.
Schenn broke Chara’s jaw in multiple places, too. He’s a bad man!Well did Bozak catch a puck with his hand and throw it down the ice like a baseball in his first Blues game??? I did not think so, its clearly Schenn
True. Obviously both players are/were pretty important to this cup run and I'm glad we have them for at least another year.Schenn’s line drew tougher matchups for most of the postseason, and did a good job neutralizing the opponents best players too.
Key phrase in your post is, “if you ignore their contracts”.I've been a defender of Bozak's contract all season and I thought he had a very good playoffs.
However, if Steen won't waive his NTC then Bozak is my 1st choice to move if the Blues want to add this summer rather than just bringing the same/similar group back for another try. I think Thomas was the main driver of the 3rd line's success and I believe he is ready to transition to center in a 3rd line role. I'd much, much rather try to extend Schenn than move Schenn in favor of Bozak and I think we could get a decent asset for Bozak. A 40 point guy coming off a Cup win has value. Even if you don't like the AAV, it's just 2 years so I think there would easily be more than 10 teams looking to trade a decent asset for him (he has a 10 team no-trade list).
With that said, I hope we keep him. I'm of the opinion that the Blues shouldn't be looking to make a big splash this summer and should still be viewing Steen/Bozak/Allen as depth luxuries we can afford. All three of those guys are valuable in the proper role if you ignore their contracts and I believe that our cap is structured in a way that allows us to largely ignore their contracts for 19/20. Assuming Schenn gets extended, then I look to move Bozak next summer. If we can't reach an agreement with Schenn, then I probably want Bozak to finish his contract here.
I agree with this completely, with the caveat that I would move one of those guys if it gives the flexibility to upgrade Edmundson’s spot.I've been a defender of Bozak's contract all season and I thought he had a very good playoffs.
However, if Steen won't waive his NTC then Bozak is my 1st choice to move if the Blues want to add this summer rather than just bringing the same/similar group back for another try. I think Thomas was the main driver of the 3rd line's success and I believe he is ready to transition to center in a 3rd line role. I'd much, much rather try to extend Schenn than move Schenn in favor of Bozak and I think we could get a decent asset for Bozak. A 40 point guy coming off a Cup win has value. Even if you don't like the AAV, it's just 2 years so I think there would easily be more than 10 teams looking to trade a decent asset for him (he has a 10 team no-trade list).
With that said, I hope we keep him. I'm of the opinion that the Blues shouldn't be looking to make a big splash this summer and should still be viewing Steen/Bozak/Allen as depth luxuries we can afford. All three of those guys are valuable in the proper role if you ignore their contracts and I believe that our cap is structured in a way that allows us to largely ignore their contracts for 19/20. Assuming Schenn gets extended, then I look to move Bozak next summer. If we can't reach an agreement with Schenn, then I probably want Bozak to finish his contract here.
Key phrase in your post is, “if you ignore their contracts”.
Otherwise, I am already ok with keeping Bozak.
I thought he was slightly overpaid for production he gave last year but not that bad of a contract. He also looks right now like he is going to have a better season than last year and get closer to his career averages after a slow start.Since we like bumping old threads around here I figured I would get in on the fun.
I will admit I was a little ehh on the $ for the contract but I can actually say I am pretty happy with Bozak. Pretty consistent for the most part and always good to have that C depth.
I was pretty 'meh" about both the Perron and Bozak signings, and I am very happy to be proven wrong. With that said, something has to give to re-sign Pietrangelo. If it is not Bozak, then who is it?
I agree with this. And Dunn on a bridge deal.Unfortunately, as much as I like Bozie, I think it’ll be him and Jake who are gone. I don’t think Steen will retire, be bought out, or traded..but at least he’ll only have one year left, where he can be our 13th guy when fully healthy(lol imagine).
I expect our forward group to look something like this next season.
Perron-O’Reilly-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Schenn-Kyrou
Blais-Thomas-Kostin
MacEachern-Barbashev-Sundqvist
Steen, de la Rose
Was going to post something similar last night. We need to be prepared for the fact that there will be someone missing from the roster next season that we didn't want to lose. Just moving Allen isn't going to be enough unless we're moving on from Petro.I was pretty 'meh" about both the Perron and Bozak signings, and I am very happy to be proven wrong. With that said, something has to give to re-sign Pietrangelo. If it is not Bozak, then who is it?
Barring a much bigger cap increase than expected or another unforeseen move, two of Allen, Steen and Bozak will have to go in order to extend Petro.I was pretty 'meh" about both the Perron and Bozak signings, and I am very happy to be proven wrong. With that said, something has to give to re-sign Pietrangelo. If it is not Bozak, then who is it?
I agree with this. And Dunn on a bridge deal.
Bouwmeester is a question mark, but he seems to enjoy playing and has said he made a deal with his wife he could play until he was 40. He turned 36 in September. I see him as taking a series of 1 year deals. Unless he is surpassed by Mikkola or another young guy, I don’t see the D corps changing until the expansion draft.