Bozak Player Discussion Thread.

[Gallagbi]

verb re·build rē-ˈbild
- to trade Nazem Kadri and Tyler Bozak

well i'll be

I was as surprised as you were

Who cares how good Bozak is?

Rebuild.

Look it up.

 

[leafs in five]

i just can't see getting anything, at all, for Bozak, not even a 5th or whatever. maybe next year's deadline.

 

[MJ65]

i just can't see getting anything, at all, for Bozak, not even a 5th or whatever. maybe next year's deadline.

Please trade Bozak for pucks

 

[Daisy Jane]

Fair enough. To your point though, why is it imperative to move Bozak and Lupul if we are not contending or being a cap team for a couple seasons and they would likely return more, without retention, at the TDL of the final season of their deals?
It seems impatient to me to use retentions on more than one player with 2+ years left on his deal since there is no immediate urgency to do so(Kessel being one already). Moving Bozak and/or Lupul this season will not make us contenders next season anyway. I would like them moved, but continuing to use our retentions, may leave us out on a bigger deal. If we retain on someone with 2+ years remaining, personally I want it to be because it was necessary to get a big deal done, not just because we want to add another late 2nd.

I still think having all 3 retentions used this season and two used up already for the next 2+ seasons is not the best idea because it is not necessary at this time. That's just me though.

Honestly, because they don't fit in. (and they tick me off . but mostly because I think we could take the roster spots to audition for players who can support the core.

we can buy ourselves a few picks before they fall out of favour (Bozak - in this case talent wise, though he does bring some other aspects to the table - and Lupul - injury + age wise). may hay with the sunshine we've got.

again. using ALL of them (and we can't we only have one right now) isn't ideal, but at the same time, like i've said some people get so - omg we can't use them) as if there's always going to be a perfect time to use them. they are there TO be used. so use them.

 

[Pookie]

Who cares? Trade both, it's a rebuild, look it up.

Hey, not opposed to Bozak being moved at all. He's not the future. He can be a bridge but not the future. If you can get assets, got for it. This is asset allocation mode.

Again who cares about value in relation to Kadri, you asked who cares if he plays well.

Not sure why you directed that at me. My reply was in response to this that was directed my way:

Bozak plays like **** = who cares?

Kadri has a good game save one mistake = sarcasm and smugness in the other thread.

"Unbiased."

 

[RLF]

Honestly, because they don't fit in. (and they tick me off . but mostly because I think we could take the roster spots to audition for players who can support the core.

we can buy ourselves a few picks before they fall out of favour (Bozak - in this case talent wise, though he does bring some other aspects to the table - and Lupul - injury + age wise). may hay with the sunshine we've got.

again. using ALL of them (and we can't we only have one right now) isn't ideal, but at the same time, like i've said some people get so - omg we can't use them) as if there's always going to be a perfect time to use them. they are there TO be used. so use them.

Fair enough. They will be gone eventually either way. I will agree to disagree.

 

[Gallagbi]

Not sure why you directed that at me. My reply was in response to this that was directed my way:

...and my response, which you quoted, had no mention of Kadri but you circled back to that.

There's reason to care how Bozak plays. I told you why.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The problem with Bozak (outside of the 2-3 games where he played well this season) is that he doesn't provide any insulation during a rebuild.

His line is constantly hemmed in which is demoralizing to the team, and his utter lack of effort or hustle on loose pucks is something you don't want observed by younger players.

If he played half-decent, and could semi-manage playing against better players the way Nick Spaling has, for example, then I would be ok with keeping him around during a rebuild.

Ideally we want 2 other centers taking the tougher matchups away from Nylander so that he can ease into the league with less pressure.

Yet, here we are with Spaling matching up against the other teams top line, Kadri against the 2nd line, and Bozak still playing terrible.

As of now, Bozak a negative to have around.

This exactly

 

[Hockey Talker29]

The problem with Bozak (outside of the 2-3 games where he played well this season) is that he doesn't provide any insulation during a rebuild.

His line is constantly hemmed in which is demoralizing to the team, and his utter lack of effort or hustle on loose pucks is something you don't want observed by younger players.

If he played half-decent, and could semi-manage playing against better players the way Nick Spaling has, for example, then I would be ok with keeping him around during a rebuild.

Ideally we want 2 other centers taking the tougher matchups away from Nylander so that he can ease into the league with less pressure.

Yet, here we are with Spaling matching up against the other teams top line, Kadri against the 2nd line, and Bozak still playing terrible.

As of now, Bozak a negative to have around.

I agree. This is basically why I'd consider buying Bozak out after this season, if there is no available trade option. I'd also consider dropping him to the minors. Nylander will likely be up next year.

I don't want Bozak holding back his development. That roster spot needs to be cleared.

 

[Shanty]

I agree. This is basically why I'd consider buying Bozak out after this season, if there is no available trade option. I'd also consider dropping him to the minors. Nylander will likely be up next year.

I don't want Bozak holding back his development. That roster spot needs to be cleared.

In my heart I want this, but Babcock keeps saying the Leafs will not be a development team in that way. There is a system and style being developed here, but players need to be here to play, not to learn.

I'm feeling more and more okay with letting the young guns stew in the minors until they're so irritated playing in the minors they give their ABSOLUTE ALL when they step on the ice for the Leafs.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

I can't see us ever being able to trade Bozak. Every team must have 4 or 5 players in their system just like him already.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

I can't see us ever being able to trade Bozak. Every team must have 4 or 5 players in their system just like him already.

It's very difficult to see him as anything but a 3rd line center on any other team. And at $4.2m, there is no incentive whatsoever to acquire him. I always expected this contract to end in a buy-out. For me, the only question is which team actually does it. Hopefully we can move him first.

 

[Menzinger]

I'd take a 4th/5th rounder for him if the Leafs don't have to retain salary. Being free of his contract is enough value in of itself.

 

[The Apologist]

Im willing to take wagers that should the Leafs trade him, he brings back at least a second. He'll never nab a first, but hes certainly got enough value for a second.

 

[leafs in five]

He'll never nab a first, but hes certainly got enough value for a second.

lunacy

 

[mcleex]

Im willing to take wagers that should the Leafs trade him, he brings back at least a second. He'll never nab a first, but hes certainly got enough value for a second.

Take that deal and run. I will drive him to the city that trades for him myself

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

i just can't see getting anything, at all, for Bozak, not even a 5th or whatever. maybe next year's deadline.

The amount Bozak is under valued is insane he currently at about .5 pts a game for centers that puts him around 40-50th looking at ppg not great, his faceoffs in that same group is in the top 5, number 4 I think but it's hard to tell how many above him are actually taking the same number of faceoffs and I don't care to check.

Many teams would value that. Bozak, Kadri whoever should be traded for a good deal that makes sense, just a fifth round pick would be a terrible deal.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

Im willing to take wagers that should the Leafs trade him, he brings back at least a second. He'll never nab a first, but hes certainly got enough value for a second.

No team in the league would offer a 2nd for him.

I'd actually be very surprised if we could get a 7th without taking some of his salary on.

His market value is negative. If it wasn't, he'd already be gone. It's a sad case, but it's true.

The Leafs went searching for 2nd round picks at the deadline, as reported by Bob McKenzie. I'm sure they inquired this summer as well. There are definitely no takers for a 2nd rounder.

The fact is, you can get equally talented players for much less money on the UFA market every year. Why on earth would you trade for Bozak at his current salary?

At this point he's here because we don't need the roster spot. No need to buy him out just yet. That will likely change next season if Nylander comes up.

 

[diceman934]

If Bozak was playing in his last year of his contract, we could move him at the trade deadline. This year it would have to be a hockey trade and I just do not see that happening unless we add a sweetener.

 

[Admiring Myself]

You're pure revisionism. Kessel and Kadri were better together than Kessel and Bozak were. The numbers don't lie my friend.

You're wrong.

his scoring rate was near identical to bozak and the defining advanced stat difference was a marginal improvement in possession and even strength numbers over 515 minutes compared to bozaks ~3200 over the same time span. maybe youd prefer i call it mediocre? they should both be trade bait.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Another point for Bozak, regardless of where he belongs in the lineup he's still proving he doesn't need Kessel to get points curious to see where he'd be if if he hadn't missed those 4 games.

 

[Semantics]

Absolute GARBAGE player! That OT goal was all on him. He stands ****ing still at the blue line against his man who had speed and decides to fling a limp-wristed ****ing poke check at him? What the **** is that ****??? If you're going to try to stand him up at the blue line use your ****ing body for **** sake, and don't be standing still. I can't believe that some media types still try to sell this clown as a two way player.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Another point for Bozak, regardless of where he belongs in the lineup he's still proving he doesn't need Kessel to get points curious to see where he'd be if if he hadn't missed those 4 games.

He won't last the year here.

 

[shaner8989]

He's absolute trash. Waste of a roster spot but that's fine for this season.

 

[ULF_55]

Another point for Bozak, regardless of where he belongs in the lineup he's still proving he doesn't need Kessel to get points curious to see where he'd be if if he hadn't missed those 4 games.

Isn't he usually highest PPG center the Leafs have?

Too bad he can't stay healthy.