Proposal: Boston/LA

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I think kovalchuk is showing signs of life... is still a hell of a PP weapon... and honestly, I think he would have some chemistry on a boston second line with krejci/debrusk

LA looks like a team that is going to tank for a top 5 pick but I think they want some character guys in their dressing room the next few years to help set a good learning enviroment for the incoming kids

my proposal

Ilya Kovalchuk {1/2 retained}
Kyle Clifford {headed to ufa at the end of this season}
for
David Backes
Kevan Miller {headed to ufa at the end of this season}
Peter cehlarik {a talented nhl ready winger that has been too inconsistent but might benefit from a new chance}
and Boston's second round pick this year
{conditional second round pick next year if kovalchuk meets minimum scoring standards}

my reasoning... Clifford can help Boston with some grit component at playoff time if needed... hes a playoff proven warrior. Kovalchuk would be one hell of a help to boston's second PP unit with Krecji/McAvoy//and whoever the other 2 guys end up being. its a steep price to give up the 2 second round picks but it is only 2 picks if kovalchuk is truely rebounding.

for LA... I think they would appreciate backes cost less real dollars than kovalchuk. Miller is a local California kid that could resign for cheap and stick around and probably be a nice marketing guy. cehlarik does have a skill set that could fit in nicely with kopitar… just depends if he buys into working harder to salvage an nhl career. LA would be able to resign Clifford if they wanted after this year. and honestly, I dont think keeping kovalchuk is in their best interest. Hes not considered a good influence on kids. When he struggles hes kind of a controversial distraction. He's wasted on a non-playoff team.

LA spends some of their cap room... but they get one of the really high quality locker room leaders... and two rough and tumble vets that will protect the kids from abuse.

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[Zegs2sendhelp]

Value seems okay from outside perdpective

 

[izzy]

i dont understand this for LA...

they are going to retain over 3 million on the best player for the next 2 years, take back a lesser player for 6 million over the same 2 years.

swap 2 UFAS of nearly the same value

to gain a 2nd round pick and a 24 year old ahler?

all while pissing off drew doughty

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

i dont understand this for LA...

they are going to retain over 3 million on the best player for the next 2 years, take back a lesser player for 6 million over the same 2 years.

swap 2 UFAS of nearly the same value

to gain a 2nd round pick and a 24 year old ahler?

all while pissing off drew doughty

Oh didnt see the 1/2 retention lol

 

[kdog82]

The trade would probably work but no way in hell is LA retaining salary. Backes is the worst player in the league.

 

[Djp]

Value seems okay from outside perdpective

I’m an outsider too

They can’t unload Backes and ask them to retain 50% on Kovi.

To get that Boston would need to trade their 1st and their top prospect

 

[wintersej]

Clifford and Miller complicate needlessly. As does the retention.

Cehlarik was just on waivers, doesn't really have much value.

A 2nd is fine, but if I am LA, I won't a young player that can play on the roster.

From Boston, that means one of the young left D (Vaak, Zboril, Lauzon) or one of the near ready forwards (Frederic, Senyshyn) with the d-men being better players right now. I'd see if Senyshyn + Lauzon gets it done instead of the 2nd. Sure throw in Cehlarik anyway.

Another thing to keep in mind...

Kovi won't be on PP1 for Boston. That takes away a lot of his value. At 5 on 5 he is one of the worst 2 way players. You can say that the Bruins can shelter him there, but its not like DeBrusk and Krejci is the Bruins best defensive two some.

Heinen Krejci Kovi
Bjork Coyle DeBrusk

Maybe that works?

 

[Groo]

Miller a marketing guy in LA?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I’m an outsider too

They can’t unload Backes and ask them to retain 50% on Kovi.

To get that Boston would need to trade their 1st and their top prospect

Ya i didnt see the 1/2 retention part... thats significant

 

[Frolov 6'3]

What makes you think LA is going “to tank” for a top 5 pick anyway ? What games have you been watching.

They might end up there, but at this point they dont tank. They have played some very good games (to my own surprise).

 

[KingCanadain1976]

No way from this king fan Clifford is valued much much much higher then a throw in I think management thinks hes a core piece and i doubt he is going anywhere at least not till deadline even then i see him resigned


As for Kovo hes has bounced back nicely so far under better coaching I can see maybe 2 million retain not 50% and ur looking 1st and no cap dump so sorry no to this nonsense

 

[kings11]

I believe someone posted what was asked last season for Toffoli and I doubt thats changed..
Toffoli + $1-2 mill retention
for
2020 1st
Jack Studnicka

 

[LAKings88]

Clifford could be a king his whole career. He is a highly valued locker room guy/solid grinder. He won’t be given away cheap.

The deal is pretty lopsided for Boston. Kings need to unload Kovy at the deadline for picks. Maybe a better pick per amount of retention if needed.

 

[Mats26]

I think kovalchuk is showing signs of life... is still a hell of a PP weapon... and honestly, I think he would have some chemistry on a boston second line with krejci/debrusk

LA looks like a team that is going to tank for a top 5 pick but I think they want some character guys in their dressing room the next few years to help set a good learning enviroment for the incoming kids

my proposal

Ilya Kovalchuk {1/2 retained}
Kyle Clifford {headed to ufa at the end of this season}
for
David Backes
Kevan Miller {headed to ufa at the end of this season}
Peter cehlarik {a talented nhl ready winger that has been too inconsistent but might benefit from a new chance}
and Boston's second round pick this year
{conditional second round pick next year if kovalchuk meets minimum scoring standards}

my reasoning... Clifford can help Boston with some grit component at playoff time if needed... hes a playoff proven warrior. Kovalchuk would be one hell of a help to boston's second PP unit with Krecji/McAvoy//and whoever the other 2 guys end up being. its a steep price to give up the 2 second round picks but it is only 2 picks if kovalchuk is truely rebounding.

for LA... I think they would appreciate backes cost less real dollars than kovalchuk. Miller is a local California kid that could resign for cheap and stick around and probably be a nice marketing guy. cehlarik does have a skill set that could fit in nicely with kopitar… just depends if he buys into working harder to salvage an nhl career. LA would be able to resign Clifford if they wanted after this year. and honestly, I dont think keeping kovalchuk is in their best interest. Hes not considered a good influence on kids. When he struggles hes kind of a controversial distraction. He's wasted on a non-playoff team.

LA spends some of their cap room... but they get one of the really high quality locker room leaders... and two rough and tumble vets that will protect the kids from abuse.

So we trade Clifford?!? I think he signs in LA for a few more years, he is the perfect 4th liner.

 

[LAKings88]

Clifford and Miller complicate needlessly. As does the retention.

Cehlarik was just on waivers, doesn't really have much value.

A 2nd is fine, but if I am LA, I won't a young player that can play on the roster.

From Boston, that means one of the young left D (Vaak, Zboril, Lauzon) or one of the near ready forwards (Frederic, Senyshyn) with the d-men being better players right now. I'd see if Senyshyn + Lauzon gets it done instead of the 2nd. Sure throw in Cehlarik anyway.

Another thing to keep in mind...

Kovi won't be on PP1 for Boston. That takes away a lot of his value. At 5 on 5 he is one of the worst 2 way players. You can say that the Bruins can shelter him there, but its not like DeBrusk and Krejci is the Bruins best defensive two some.

Heinen Krejci Kovi
Bjork Coyle DeBrusk

Maybe that works?

LA’s dman pool is pretty loaded at the moment. It’s not a huge need.

Bjornfot
Mikey Anderson
Durzi
Clague
Phillips

 

[Reaper45]

LA’s dman pool is pretty loaded at the moment. It’s not a huge need.

Bjornfot
Mikey Anderson
Durzi
Clague
Phillips

Wouldnt hurt to have another surefire guy but I feel you.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I appreciate the thought process but I'd respectfully decline. I'd simplify. I don't think we'd retain on Kovy and take back Backes without a significant sweetener, though. Think of the first for Marleau.

I also don't think Clifford goes anywhere ever, he means more to the Kings for intangibles than any fair trade value.

Kovy for a young player (middle sixer or #4ish d-man) and mediocre pick I could get behind no problem, even with retention. Edit: Cehlarik and a conditional 2nd? Done. If you want to dump Backes and/or Millar that's a different trade imo.

 

[YP44]

no chance from LA's POV. If Backes is coming back than retention on Kovalchuk would be closer to Nil. Clifford himself could likely return a 2nd but all signs point to him being re-signed.

As for LA's cap space. Given how tight to the cap a lot of the year is I think that will be LA's best asset and could get more for using it than this.

 

[wintersej]

I believe someone posted what was asked last season for Toffoli and I doubt thats changed..
Toffoli + $1-2 mill retention
for
2020 1st
Jack Studnicka

Bruins have less than zero interest in that.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Wouldn’t even sell Kovalchuk for a late 2nd let alone take Backes back. You want retention on top? This is laughably bad.

 

[kings11]

Bruins have less than zero interest in that.

Obviously the reason Toffoli wasn't a Bruin last season... But now you know the ask

 

[unicornpig]

Bruins have less than zero interest in that.

If there’s a lot of interest a 1st gets it done

 

[nbwingsfan]

i dont understand this for LA...

they are going to retain over 3 million on the best player for the next 2 years, take back a lesser player for 6 million over the same 2 years.

swap 2 UFAS of nearly the same value

to gain a 2nd round pick and a 24 year old ahler?

all while pissing off drew doughty

Yep. Boston would have to add one of their better prospects in Frederic or Zboril/Lauzon for this to make any sense

 

[wintersej]

If there’s a lot of interest a 1st gets it done

Thats fair to ask. Although a lot of guys of his quality end up going for a 2nd. Waste of time until the rental market shakes out. He would certainly be on the Bruins list.

 

[smack66]

I believe someone posted what was asked last season for Toffoli and I doubt thats changed..
Toffoli + $1-2 mill retention
for
2020 1st
Jack Studnicka

I guess Toffoli retires an LA King.