Proposal: BOS - Panarin / CBJ - 1st+ 2nd, Anders Björk & Urho Vaakanainen

[B0ST0N11]

Obviously id like to know what you all think in a contructive way.
I think if the Bruins can land Panarin and sign him up longterm, Panarin will act like a bridge to help the younger generation of wingers progress into the future, when Marchand, Krejci, Bergy hang the skates up.
It will also help the bruins compete within a very strong division.

Columbus gets a first round Defensive prospect in Urho. Big body LD in a deep defensive draft. (2017)
they also get BOS 1st 2019 and 2nd 2020

last they recieve Anders Björk.. LW/C with skill and top 6 potential

BOS:
Artemi Panarin - LW
CBJ
BOS - 2019 1st
BOS - 2020 2nd
Anders Bjork – LW/C
Urho Vaakanainen – LD (18th overall 2017) Deep Defensive Class

What you think ?

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[Viqsi]

Let's go point by point.

2019 1st: near-valueless to us; we are already the youngest team in the NHL and have little use for late futures
2020 2nd: valueless to us; see above, only moreso
Anders Bjork: near-valueless to us; we have a metric ****ton of Young Promising-Looking Wingers and need a "now" guy who has legit 1st line cred
Urho Vaakanainen: valueless to us; we have more LDs than we know what to do with

So, in short, you're giving us a bunch of pieces that we in particular have absolutely no need for, in exchange for the best forward we've ever had.

This is not going to fly. Not even slightly.



EDIT: clarifying, "valueless" here means "to the Jackets".

 

[BB88]

I think Vaakanainen to Columbus is a bad mix.

They don't need defense and I'm hoping he's a future top4 LD in Boston when Chara retires.

 

[Roshi]

Id guess CBJ is more about winning now than keeping stacking up, and also would figure that handful of teams from west would match that offer with their own bjorks and vaakanainens. Rather trade out of your conf.

 

[MortUWary]

Let's go point by point.

2019 1st: near-valueless; we are already the youngest team in the NHL and have little use for late futures
2020 2nd: valueless; see above, only moreso
Anders Bjork: near-valueless; we have a metric ****ton of Young Promising-Looking Wingers and need a "now" guy who has legit 1st line cred
Urho Vaakanainen: valueless; we have more LDs than we know what to do with

So, in short, you're giving us a bunch of low-value pieces that we in particular have absolutely no need for, in exchange for the best forward we've ever had.

This is not going to fly. Not even slightly.

I'm not sure why there's such a pissy tone in this response. For the reasons you stated, it's not a great match for the Jackets, but to call it valueless is ignorant and uncalled for.

Panarin is in his walk year, doesn't appear to be open to signing an extension with Columbus and the OP floated a first round pick (which does have value), a second round pick (not as valuable, but not valueless), Bjork (who by most accounts is a top 50 prospect and sure-fire middle six winger) and a developing first round pick in 2017 in Vaakanainen. The OP made an honest effort and in looking at the recent returns for star players, this proposal (while not the best match) is far better than a lot of the garbage posts that appear here.

 

[Viqsi]

I'm not sure why there's such a pissy tone in this response. For the reasons you stated, it's not a great match for the Jackets, but to call it valueless is ignorant and uncalled for.

That's why I edited it a few seconds before you posted this reply.

The tone comes out because it has been incredibly frustrating to see the same basic mistakes in Panarin proposals get repeated over and over and over and over and over again.

 

[easton117]

That's why I edited it a few seconds before you posted this reply.

The tone comes out because it has been incredibly frustrating to see the same basic mistakes in Panarin proposals get repeated over and over and over and over and over again.

I think Columbus is in a tough spot to be fair. The guy appears to be sending some pretty strong signals that he’s going to walk next summer.

They can go the Islander route and pray things change or the the Ottawa route and pray for the best offer. There’s no in between.

Boston has been pretty lucky lately with UFA’s either extending early or they weren’t going to keep them anyway. So I can’t really say what route I’d want them to go in a case like this.

I would say I’d probably wait to the deadline. See where they are in the standings and go from there.

I think CBJ goes for that route

 

[MortUWary]

That's why I edited it a few seconds before you posted this reply.

The tone comes out because it has been incredibly frustrating to see the same basic mistakes in Panarin proposals get repeated over and over and over and over and over again.

Appreciate the "softening" of the message and I completely understand your frustrations. It just felt a little misguided, especially when there was true value being offered and no mention of it coming with a long-term extension.

When reading the OP, I honestly thought to myself that if Donato was swapped for Bjork (who might actually be the better fit under Tortorella) and the second rounder had a condition to become a future first rounder if bread signed with Boston, I'd do it if I were Jarmo. Bottom line is that the Jackets are trying to contend NOW. Trading bread does nothing to help that at this time and potentially affects their ability to re-sign Bob. Big season in Columbus. Hope it all works out!

 

[John Bruins]

Appreciate the "softening" of the message and I completely understand your frustrations. It just felt a little misguided, especially when there was true value being offered and no mention of it coming with a long-term extension.

When reading the OP, I honestly thought to myself that if Donato was swapped for Bjork (who might actually be the better fit under Tortorella) and the second rounder had a condition to become a future first rounder if bread signed with Boston, I'd do it if I were Jarmo. Bottom line is that the Jackets are trying to contend NOW. Trading bread does nothing to help that at this time and potentially affects their ability to re-sign Bob. Big season in Columbus. Hope it all works out!

Yeah your not getting Donato

 

[Baksfamous112]

I’m not sure about Columbus needs but if it does fit their need, I think they go for it. Value is fine.

However, I can’t see Columbus throwing away their season before it even started. They have a good team and if I’m their GM, I try to go for it while I can.

 

[wintersej]

If I am Columbus, its DeBrusk or Donato or bust from Boston. And probably one of Frederic/Studnicka.

 

[wintersej]

And I think the Jackets self rent and cross their fingers.

edit: and it blows up in their faces

 

[wintersej]

That's why I edited it a few seconds before you posted this reply.

The tone comes out because it has been incredibly frustrating to see the same basic mistakes in Panarin proposals get repeated over and over and over and over and over again.

And Columbus fans keep making the same mistake over and over and over that they are getting 1st line talent back for a pending UFA.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Yeah your not getting Donato

Certainly not in this package, but I certainly WOULD trade Donato for a signed Panarin in the right deal.

 

[MortUWary]

Yeah your not getting Donato

For the record I'm not a Blue Jackets (or a Bruins) fan, JB. Just a neutral party here trying to keep the dialogue positive.

 

[haveandare]

Let's go point by point.

2019 1st: near-valueless to us; we are already the youngest team in the NHL and have little use for late futures
2020 2nd: valueless to us; see above, only moreso
Anders Bjork: near-valueless to us; we have a metric ****ton of Young Promising-Looking Wingers and need a "now" guy who has legit 1st line cred
Urho Vaakanainen: valueless to us; we have more LDs than we know what to do with

So, in short, you're giving us a bunch of pieces that we in particular have absolutely no need for, in exchange for the best forward we've ever had.

This is not going to fly. Not even slightly.



EDIT: clarifying, "valueless" here means "to the Jackets".

That's Panarin. You're not getting a similar player signed beyond next year for him. No team in their right mind would do that.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Let's go point by point.

2019 1st: near-valueless to us; we are already the youngest team in the NHL and have little use for late futures
2020 2nd: valueless to us; see above, only moreso
Anders Bjork: near-valueless to us; we have a metric ****ton of Young Promising-Looking Wingers and need a "now" guy who has legit 1st line cred
Urho Vaakanainen: valueless to us; we have more LDs than we know what to do with

So, in short, you're giving us a bunch of pieces that we in particular have absolutely no need for, in exchange for the best forward we've ever had.

This is not going to fly. Not even slightly.



EDIT: clarifying, "valueless" here means "to the Jackets".

since when is Picks "valueless" I have never ever see a team saying no to picks, even if they are a young team ( CBJ are not the youngest team, far from it.... they are 25 in general, compare the forwards to Mtl, you will see that MTL is younger.)

 

[John Bruins]

since when is Picks "valueless" I have never ever see a team saying no to picks, even if they are a young team ( CBJ are not the youngest team, far from it.... they are 25 in general, compare the forwards to Mtl, you will see that MTL is younger.)

I agree, I have never heard someone call 1st round pick valueless, he ovously has his heart on a player on a Bruins that is unavailable, you could offer him 4 first round picks and he will still say no.

 

[powerstuck]

Might as well just wait and sign Panarin next summer for a sweet deal for free.

 

[CBJFan827]

since when is Picks "valueless" I have never ever see a team saying no to picks, even if they are a young team ( CBJ are not the youngest team, far from it.... they are 25 in general, compare the forwards to Mtl, you will see that MTL is younger.)

If you read Viqsi's entire post, they reaffirm that, for Columbus, at this point in time, picks do not provide much value due to the fact that for at least the last two seasons we have been the youngest team in the league by average age. See this post from last year (where we were tied with Colorado for an average roster age of 25.0). That might change slightly for this coming season, but Columbus has a total of 3 players on their roster 30 or older: Foligno, Dubinsky, and Bob tomorrow. Your "far from it" statement is just silly.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Panarin's value as a pending UFA is mitigated by considerations on both sides of any proposal.

1) The team acquiring him must offer value based on how likely it feels it is to sign Panarin long-term.

because

2) The Jackets must weigh all offers against the (difficult but not impossible to gauge) value of retaining him for the season and seeing what happens (even though it appears he's likely to leave) next summer.

In my opinion, of course, the OP does not offer enough value to the Jackets, i.e. retaining Panarin (even short-term) > that package.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is a proposal that's way too much from the Bruins and doesn't fill a need at all for the Jackets. Panarin doesn't have that kind of value and the assets Columbus gets doesn't do anything for them

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

maybe for a signed Panarin, but even then it's on the rich side.

hell no for a rental

 

[JoemAvs]

Panarin will go for less if he gets traded (unless he is willing to do a SnT with a certain team which at this point seems unlikely).

He most likely will only get traded if the CBJ have a bad year. How bad that year has to be for Jarmo to pull the trigger is anyones guess.

Jarmo will probably ask himself in January or February at the latest how far this team can realistically go from what he has seen. If it looks like they have no real chance of competing and are a 1st round exit at best, I expect Panarin (and Bob for that matter) to be sold off for significantly less than this offer.

If Jarmo sees a chance that Columbus can go all the way (I have my doubts personally but its not completely unlikely), he will treat them as their own rentals and go for it.

The only way Panarin gets traded right now is if someone completely blows Jarmos socks off with an offer. Which this probably does not come close to....

 

[BruinsBtn]

That's too much for Panarin. Vaak looked good. I could love Bjork because it's crowded but unless Panarin will take a discount to resign in Boston (he won't), then it's too much to give up. I don't see why Columbus would be selling anyway, they should just go for it this year. They're close.