Confirmed with Link: BOS/MIN Wild acquire Jared Knight for Zack Phillips

[PAYHA]

Fontaine abstaines from the vote.

Parise is entitled to a vote

 

[TaLoN]

Or the organization sucks at developing them. Remember Zidlicky asked for a trade as well. Havlat also asked for a trade. So that's 4.

Those two players have nothing in common with Phillips. Zidlicky and Havlat both didn't like the system after a coaching change.

Phillips was just a marginal player in the AHL with no hope of finding an NHL spot with the depth ahead of him.

 

[Blizzard6411]

Parise is entitled to a vote

Nope! Traitor!

 

[thestonedkoala]

Those two players have nothing in common with Phillips. Zidlicky and Havlat both didn't like the system after a coaching change.

Phillips was just a marginal player in the AHL with no hope of finding an NHL spot with the depth ahead of him.

Or that's what you're thinking. We don't know why Phillips asked to be traded. It could be that certain players passed him up. Or it could be that he didn't think Minnesota had his best interested in mind. Or he didn't think the system or organization was really suited to his development.

 

[Blizzard6411]

Those two players have nothing in common with Phillips. Zidlicky and Havlat both didn't like the system after a coaching change.

Phillips was just a marginal player in the AHL with no hope of finding an NHL spot with the depth ahead of him.

Let's not leave the incomparable Torry Mitchell out of this.

 

[rynryn]

Or the organization sucks at developing them. Remember Zidlicky asked for a trade as well. Havlat also asked for a trade. So that's 4.

well if Phillips was playing above someone else right now, the organization would have sucked at developing that player, right? So if a prospect can't break through over other prospects at his position, it's the organization's fault he didn't develop enough...
nice trap.

Zid and Havlat were around when we sucked, and IIRC it was reported of both of them they were issuing usage demands of the coaching staff prior to anything coming out about trade demands. I think the feeling was mutual.

 

[TaLoN]

Or that's what you're thinking. We don't know why Phillips asked to be traded. It could be that certain players passed him up. Or it could be that he didn't think Minnesota had his best interested in mind. Or he didn't think the system or organization was really suited to his development.

Or it could be that you're just reaching for something to criticize the Wild about since they're winning and left you only straws to grasp at to knock Fletcher with.

I predicted this route with Phillips a couple years ago...he's a bust, nothing more. Happens all the time with every team actually.

 

[thestonedkoala]

well if Phillips was playing above someone else right now, the organization would have sucked at developing that player, right?

So if a prospect can't break through over other prospects at his position, it's the organization's fault he didn't develop enough...
nice trap.

No, what I am saying is that Phillips and the Wild just weren't made for each other. The Wild haven't had the best track record when it comes with developing offensive talent because they focus hard on two-way play and good defensive play. Knight makes more sense for them because from what I've read and what his numbers suggest is that he's a gritty two-way forward, not necessarily known for his offensive acumen. He'll play hard but he won't necessarily be a scorer. It fits Fletcher's MO as he continues to shuffle around the cards at the lower level to find a guy like Carter that they can develop internally. Knight is just a bit more seasoned.

Zid and Havlat were around when we sucked, and IIRC it was reported of both of them they were issuing usage demands of the coaching staff prior to anything coming out about trade demands. I think the feeling was mutual.

It's still a reflection of this organization. I think that both can be at fault for someone. I don't necessarily think moving Havlat and Zidlicky was bad but at the same time, you have - actually now 5 guys asking for trades. That isn't really healthy for an organization. It's not a bad sign either but it's a trend that may need to be looked at.

Or it could be that you're just reaching for something to criticize the Wild about since they're winning and left you only straws to grasp at to knock Fletcher with.

This is the problem with sports; most fans are focused too solely on the here and now to not be able to see the entire picture. It's great the Wild have been winning, but it's such a small time frame in the grand scheme of things. Sustainability is what I'm looking at than these short bursts where the team peaks really hot before cooling off and then going back on another hot run. The Wild have always had good January and February's before cooling off. Remember last season?

 

[TaLoN]

Only you could say the Wild don't develop talent well, whilst the roster is made up of mostly young developed talent and are in playoff position.

 

[MuckOG]

It's still a reflection of this organization. I think that both can be at fault for someone. I don't necessarily think moving Havlat and Zidlicky was bad but at the same time, you have - actually now 5 guys asking for trades. That isn't really healthy for an organization. It's not a bad sign either but it's a trend that may need to be looked at.

Trend? Really?

 

[Blizzard6411]

Only you could say the Wild don't develop talent well, whilst the roster is made up of mostly young developed talent and are in playoff position.

he has placed his focus on Iowa now.

 

[rynryn]

People ask for trades because they want to play more. That happens. Especially on teams that aren't winning. Especially if they know they aren't part of the future.

 

[J22*]

1. List the players that wanted out
2. List the players that wanted to come here
3. Decide which list you would rather have

 

[TaLoN]

1. List the players that wanted out
2. List the players that wanted to come here
3. Decide which list you would rather have

QFT! End of arguement.

 

[nickschultzfan]

Wild have a deep team and a weak farm team. Phillips needs a shallow NHL team and a strong farm team.

Not saying Boston is the best fit but the trade request makes sense.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Only you could say the Wild don't develop talent well, whilst the roster is made up of mostly young developed talent and are in playoff position.

Yes, because if we took away Parise, Suter, and Vanek - this team would still be in the position they are in today. Let's forget those signings. Also, if you take away Coyle (from the Burns trade), el Nino (Clutterbuck) and Koivu, this team would be really super as they were the results of development from before this current management group came in.

Brodin, Scandella, Spurgeon are solid defensively but offensively; Haula, Granlund, Zucker, and Fontaine? You want to call that a success?

 

[thestonedkoala]

1. List the players that wanted out
2. List the players that wanted to come here
3. Decide which list you would rather have

It's not necessarily who wants out but who doesn't want to come here? We have guys that played in Minnesota coming back, which is awesome but we don't know about those guys that have turned down Minnesota because they aren't reported.

he has placed his focus on Iowa now.

I've always been focused on maintaining a solid balance with Iowa and Minnesota. Having a strong farm team only gives this team flexibility and options in the future.

Trend? Really?

Not really a trend either but it is strange that a team has had 5? 6? players that have wanted out. I haven't heard of any other organization that hasn't been a dumpster fire having that many. Then again, it might not be reported as much.

 

[gphr513]

Yes, because if we took away Parise, Suter, and Vanek - this team would still be in the position they are in today. Let's forget those signings. Also, if you take away Coyle (from the Burns trade), el Nino (Clutterbuck) and Koivu, this team would be really super as they were the results of development from before this current management group came in.

Brodin, Scandella, Spurgeon are solid defensively but offensively; Haula, Granlund, Zucker, and Fontaine? You want to call that a success?

If you're going to take Coyle away, I think you've got to put Burns back in. Leaving Coyle off the list suggests we never traded Burns, who was Wild home grown talent.

 

[TaLoN]

Yes, because if we took away Parise, Suter, and Vanek - this team would still be in the position they are in today. Let's forget those signings. Also, if you take away Coyle (from the Burns trade), el Nino (Clutterbuck) and Koivu, this team would be really super as they were the results of development from before this current management group came in.

Brodin, Scandella, Spurgeon are solid defensively but offensively; Haula, Granlund, Zucker, and Fontaine? You want to call that a success?

LMAO!

You realize you can do the exact SAME thing with every franchise in the NHL right?

 

[tomgilbertfan]

Guys if you take away the good things your franchise has done it wouldn't be good. More at 11.

 

[J22*]

Guys if you take away the good things your franchise has done it wouldn't be good. More at 11.

But, if you take away all of the good players, the bad players wont ask to be traded anymore. silver lining

 

[TaLoN]

Wild developed young players on the roster

Granlund
Coyle
Zucker
Brodin
Haula
Spurgeon
Scandella
Dumba
Fontaine

Not fully Wild developed, but Wild still had a big impact

Nino

 

[Beegoalie]

Phillipps was a loser. Good Riddance.

 

[Beegoalie]

Officially time to call the Burns trade a loss. Understand the reasons at the time..but hard to argue we won that one. Unless Coyle turns into the power forward we all hope he can be..but I have my doubts.

 

[Avder]

Guys this thread is about the Phillips/Knight trade.

There are other threads for the topics you're all veering into.