Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
oh I'm well aware of the ryan conditioning criticism
5 posters repeating **** over and over doesn't make it true. There's a lot of **** that gets repeated ad nauseum here that is pretty far from reality.
as I said....go ahead and post something where someone with the team comments on his conditioning. Google bobby ryan conditioning. that's a good place to start.
if bobby ryan, a 7.5 M pro athlete, had non injury related conditioning issues, there'd would be real information about it on the internet. find it. or as I said stop flapping about it.
Speaking of reality, you might be interested in a post I have made in the trade rumors thread. Here it is :
I'm honestly super happy for Noesen. His career was up in the air for years with all of his chronic injury issues, got waived by Anaheim, and has finally got to a point where he not only has had enough luck that his injuries weren't career-threatening, but that he's also found a permanent home and is making the most of it.
People that still bring up that trade in a "woulda coulda shoulda / if only" context are pessimists of the highest order. It happened. It was almost FIVE YEARS AGO. ****ing get over it, already. We lost a trade. We've lot trades before. We will lose trades again at some point in the future. It is inevitable.
Dwelling on it for FIVE YEARS is just about the most unhealthy way to go about being a fan of this team, as far as I'm concerned. It must be absolutely crippling from a mental health perspective. I pity anyone who genuinely holds a grudge for that long - the only person they are hurting is themselves.
The thing is... Did we even "lost" that trade in reality? If you know me, you know that I don't care much about "popular opinions", but I prefer to look at fact and results, particularly in hockey, which is a business of results.
When you think of it, this deal was fantastic for Ottawa when it happened. Acquiring a young (25 y/o) super talented forward (was drafted 2nd OA behind Crosby for a reason) signed 2 more years at a cheap 5.1 cap hit ($5,562,500 salary each year) was a major coup. Ryan peaked early from 2008-09 to 2010-11 scoring at over a 0.80 PPG. He had 2 down years following that but he was still around 0.70 PPG.
Yes, Ottawa gave good assets to make it happen (of course, you have to give to get) but when you think of it, that package was not that much more valuable than what Brassard just returned. Silfverberg was 23 y/o and scored at 0.4 PPG in his first NA season in Ottawa but didn't have a much higher ceiling (maybe 2nd liner). Ottawa also gave up a supposedly mid/late 1st first round pick in a weak draft and a prospect who had 2 years of development ruined by injuries and was very unlikely to actually make it as his career was in jeopardy.
Now, trades are going to be judged in hindsight, so let's do that.
- Noesen played 2 games with the Ducks, then got waived. What he does after that is irrelevant for Anaheim.
- The first round pick ended up higher than expected as the Sens had a disappointing 2013-14 season (after a great run in 2012-13), but it doesn't look like the Ducks made a great coup by drafting Nick Ritchie. Sure, he's "still young at 22 y/o" but I don't see him becoming a top-6 forward in this league. Too much talent coming up every year. He's been producing at a 26 pts pace per 82 games so far in the NHL. At that age, Ryan was already a +60 pts player. Alex Chiasson had better numbers in his first 2 years.
Nick Ritchie (Games, Goals, Assists, Points. 2nd line is "Per Game")
Career | NHL | 168 | 21 | 32 | 53 |
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Career | NHL | 168 | 0.13 | 0.19 | 0.32 |
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Jakob Silfverberg (Games, Goals, Assists, Points. 2nd line is "Per Game")
5 yrs | ANA | NHL | 353 | 79 | 98 | 177 |
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5 yrs | ANA | NHL | 353 | 0.22 | 0.28 | 0.50 |
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And now Bobby Ryan (Games, Goals, Assists, Points. 2nd line is "Per Game")
5 yrs | OTT | NHL | 333 | 83 | 122 | 205 |
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5 yrs | OTT | NHL | 333 | 0.25 | 0.37 | 0.62 |
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Now Ottawa hasn't been lucky. If Ryan was able to remain healthy, he would still be producing around 55-65 pts per season (see the link at the bottom of this post), which would make this trade a homerun for Ottawa.
The question is how long will it take for Silfverberg and Ritchie to actually outscore Ryan? 6 years? 7 years? lol it's surely taking very long in a trade that "we lost badly"
But no it's true, I am wrong, they are outscoring Ryan :
524 games, 100 goals, 130 assists, 230 points (added the 2 games Noesen played for the Ducks)
vs
333 games, 83 goals, 122 assists, 205 points
It just took a lot more games and 2 rosters spots instead of one lol
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