OT: Blues Forum Lounge (Home of All Things OT) - Part VIII
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bleedblue1223
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We need to immediately block their number.
Don't know if it's good or bad that I completely blocked the Masterson trade out of my mind until you brought it up again lol.
Bobby Orrtuzzo
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What about the Masterson deal last year? I honestly don't even remember what we gave up but he was downright awful
Bobby Orrtuzzo
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They gave up James Ramsey for him, who they had picked in the first round in 2012. I imagine he was somewhat good considering where he was drafted. Then again, Kozma was also drafted in the first round.....
Vladys Gumption
Colt55
That one I could at least see the reasoning behind given our history of success grabbing vet pitchers at the deadline. It didn't work out but I didn't totally hate it. This one just makes no sense since there were much better options available.
bleedblue1223
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Blue Jays are going to be insanely dangerous now. That lineup with Price joining the rotation. Maybe if they can add a mid-rotation guy, but their prospect pool has to be pretty depleted now. They are going to be fun to watch.
Vladys Gumption
Colt55
I mean if we were looking for a rental outfield bat and were willing to move Kaminsky, why not Justin Upton?
Note Worthy
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I don't agree with the trade and Kamisky was a solid prospect but...
We don't have a shortage of great pitching. Waino will back next year (maybe this year), Wacha, maybe Lackey, maybe Garcia, Martinez, Lynn, Reyes, Gonzalez, Cooney etc.
I don't think Moss adds much, if anything, to this team but I'm not overly hurt about losing Kamisky specifically. He's definitely a solid prospect but we have a pretty full closet of pitchers.
Bobby Orrtuzzo
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If we make more moves, then I won't be too upset by it. But if that's all that is done, I'll be a bit upset about it.
Vladdy the Impaler
Moar Sobotka
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It's learning...
Just a guess, but I think Mo liked Moss because he can pay 1b as well as OF. If Mo thinks that Holliday will be back by the end of the year, that would push an Upton out of the field and thus out of the lineup.
By acquiring Moss instead of Upton, when Holliday comes back, Moss will take over in a platoon at 1b with Reynolds. That being said, just because Moss is a better fit, doesn't mean that you have to pay a premium price.
Moss will end up playing pretty well and the trade will turn out to be fine because this is the Cardinals.
Same thing will happen at the 2016 trade deadline. Rinse and repeat.
Same thing will happen at the 2016 trade deadline. Rinse and repeat.
Vladys Gumption
Colt55
Maness is having a tough year. You can't serve up a meatball like that immediately following your team coming back to take the lead.
Vladdy the Impaler
Moar Sobotka
What a big win. That kind of game is the reason people hate the cards, haha. We haven't really battled back a ton this year. Last night's loss and the trade today got me bummed. It's nice when baseball can bring you back up.
Meatwagon
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I'm surprised by the hate for the Moss trade. He now leads the Cards in HR and RBI's. We needed a bat and we went and got one.
Kaminisky is our 3rd best left handed pitcher in the minors, but he's still got a ways to go before he could even make an impact in the Bigs. The Cards need help now, and they are getting almost historic pitching, it would be stupid not to improve the biggest weakness on the Club without sacrificing too much of the future.
To put this in a Blues perspective, Army would have traded Fabbri, Barbashev and '16 1st rounder for a need we don't actually have, like more depth dman, instead of actual scoring that we really need. While Mo sacrifices some possible future success, to further our chances at another World Series. The Cards have the best record in baseball because of their incredible pitching and pedestrian offense. So Mo goes and gets a good bat that can play multiple positions of need.
I think it's a good trade.
Kaminisky is our 3rd best left handed pitcher in the minors, but he's still got a ways to go before he could even make an impact in the Bigs. The Cards need help now, and they are getting almost historic pitching, it would be stupid not to improve the biggest weakness on the Club without sacrificing too much of the future.
To put this in a Blues perspective, Army would have traded Fabbri, Barbashev and '16 1st rounder for a need we don't actually have, like more depth dman, instead of actual scoring that we really need. While Mo sacrifices some possible future success, to further our chances at another World Series. The Cards have the best record in baseball because of their incredible pitching and pedestrian offense. So Mo goes and gets a good bat that can play multiple positions of need.
I think it's a good trade.
Vladys Gumption
Colt55
My problem is that there were better bats available. That's what I don't like. Moss has declined significantly. He's not the 30 homer guy of 2013.
But the guy everyone apparently wanted (Adam Lind) hasn't hit 30 HRs since 2009 and is a year older.
I'm not arguing who is better, but it just doesn't make much sense. I agree with Meatwagon and think it's a fine trade. Moss is no star, but he gives us what we need and could definitely hit around 25 this year which would be great.
I feel like everyone is putting way too much stock into Moss' last 30 games. Why exactly does that matter? It's an arbitrary number. Matt Carpenter has been just as terrible the last 30 games. Slumps happen but hopefully a change of scenery will help him out.
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