Blues 2024 Off-Season Trade Proposals Thread

[Xerloris]

Without discussing which teams actually have interest, what value pick does Buch + 16OA get us?

Feel free to set a range of picks from unextended Buch to Extended Buch.

A range of 5th to 10thOA based on certainty from other team?

What would it take for you to move him in this scenario?

I don't think moving up would be a likely scenario with that package. Bad teams don't really need a pending UFA. I could see that package getting us a LD though, please don't ask who because I don't f***ing know.

 

[Brian39]

not sure where you pulled this, but several of them have already signed extensions, many of them months ago. nonetheless, i like how you are thinking here about taking advantage of other team's cap issues to find our dtoews.

Capfriendly, filtered by RFA and left handed D and then sorted by games played. Guess it still classifies guys as RFA even if they've already sign an extension that takes them to UFA.

weird. i use them all the time and never seen glitch like that.

The 'expiration status' filter is just about the status of the current contract (or the contract the player was playing under for the selected season). It does not account for the expiration status of a contract that begins at a later date.

Select 2024/25 for the season and it removes all the guys who have signed extensions that take them to UFA eventually. Unfortunately, doing that also removes guys who are set to hit RFA this summer and don't yet have a contract for 2024/25.

Here is the list of guys under contract for 2024/25, but who will still be RFA when their current deals expire (sorted by ATOI with a minimum of 17 minutes a night):

Player Team Age GP ATOI
1. Lane Hutson MTL 20 2 22:43
2. Cam York PHI 23 82 22:37
3. K'Andre Miller NYR 24 80 21:33
4. Luke Hughes NJD 20 82 21:28
5. Shakir Mukhamadullin SJS 22 3 21:09
6. Kaiden Guhle MTL 22 70 20:51
7. Alexander Romanov NYI 24 81 20:50
8. Bowen Byram BUF 23 73 20:20
9. Martin Fehérváry WSH 24 66 19:37
10. Kevin Korchinski CHI 20 76 19:36
11. Olen Zellweger ANA 20 26 19:17
12. Ryker Evans SEA 22 36 19:10
13. Pavel Mintyukov ANA 20 63 18:50
14. Ethan Del Mastro CHI 21 2 18:34
15. Nicolas Hague VGK 25 73 18:33
16. Simon Edvinsson DET 21 16 18:15
17. Jordan Harris MTL 23 56 17:28
18. Kevin Bahl NJD 24 82 17:23
19. Wyatt Kaiser CHI 21 32 17:18
20. Lukas Cormier VGK 22 2 17:17


And the list of pending RFAs (same filters):

Player Team Age GP ATOI
PLAYER TEAM AGE GP TOI
1. Thomas Harley DAL 22 79 21:01
2. J.J. Moser ARI 24 80 20:34
3. Henry Thrun SJS 23 51 19:59
4. Jackson LaCombe ANA 23 71 19:22
5. Ryan Lindgren NYR 26 76 19:21
6. Juuso Välimäki ARI 25 68 19:05
7. Urho Vaakanainen ANA 25 68 17:28
8. Isaak Phillips CHI 22 33 17:04

Edit: I hate formatting on this site and am not going to take the time to make it look better. Sorry

 

[SirPaste]

The 'expiration status' filter is just about the status of the current contract (or the contract the player was playing under for the selected season). It does not account for the expiration status of a contract that begins at a later date.

Select 2024/25 for the season and it removes all the guys who have signed extensions that take them to UFA eventually. Unfortunately, doing that also removes guys who are set to hit RFA this summer and don't yet have a contract for 2024/25.

Here is the list of guys under contract for 2024/25, but who will still be RFA when their current deals expire (sorted by ATOI with a minimum of 17 minutes a night):

Player Team Age GP ATOI
1. Lane Hutson MTL 20 2 22:43
2. Cam York PHI 23 82 22:37
3. K'Andre Miller NYR 24 80 21:33
4. Luke Hughes NJD 20 82 21:28
5. Shakir Mukhamadullin SJS 22 3 21:09
6. Kaiden Guhle MTL 22 70 20:51
7. Alexander Romanov NYI 24 81 20:50
8. Bowen Byram BUF 23 73 20:20
9. Martin Fehérváry WSH 24 66 19:37
10. Kevin Korchinski CHI 20 76 19:36
11. Olen Zellweger ANA 20 26 19:17
12. Ryker Evans SEA 22 36 19:10
13. Pavel Mintyukov ANA 20 63 18:50
14. Ethan Del Mastro CHI 21 2 18:34
15. Nicolas Hague VGK 25 73 18:33
16. Simon Edvinsson DET 21 16 18:15
17. Jordan Harris MTL 23 56 17:28
18. Kevin Bahl NJD 24 82 17:23
19. Wyatt Kaiser CHI 21 32 17:18
20. Lukas Cormier VGK 22 2 17:17


And the list of pending RFAs (same filters):

Player Team Age GP ATOI
PLAYER TEAM AGE GP TOI
1. Thomas Harley DAL 22 79 21:01
2. J.J. Moser ARI 24 80 20:34
3. Henry Thrun SJS 23 51 19:59
4. Jackson LaCombe ANA 23 71 19:22
5. Ryan Lindgren NYR 26 76 19:21
6. Juuso Välimäki ARI 25 68 19:05
7. Urho Vaakanainen ANA 25 68 17:28
8. Isaak Phillips CHI 22 33 17:04

Edit: I hate formatting on this site and am not going to take the time to make it look better. Sorry

This is an interesting list. There are quite a few guys on there that I would love to have but can't see many if any at all would even be available. Hague could be intriguing if Vegas can't keep him around with their crazy spending but also have other Dmen coming off the books so not sure that will be the case. Will NYR be able to keep both Lindgren and Miller with Fox and Trouba both already earning a lot of money? That is something I would explore. Not sure I see anyone else on there who could be priced out by their respective teams but would be interested to hear who else on that list you guys think could become available

 

[MissouriMook]

This is an interesting list. There are quite a few guys on there that I would love to have but can't see many if any at all would even be available. Hague could be intriguing if Vegas can't keep him around with their crazy spending but also have other Dmen coming off the books so not sure that will be the case. Will NYR be able to keep both Lindgren and Miller with Fox and Trouba both already earning a lot of money? That is something I would explore. Not sure I see anyone else on there who could be priced out by their respective teams but would be interested to hear who else on that list you guys think could become available

Don’t forget that the NYR also have Braden Schneider to sign as an RFA this offseason. I don’t see them moving on from Fox, Trouba, or Miller, but I’m not sure they can afford to keep both Lindgren and Schneider. With 2 of their Top 3 being righties, I think there is a good chance they move Schneider to fill another hole. Perhaps they would be interested in a reunion with Buchnevich? Regardless of the way this season ends for them, they sure seem to have a need at RW in their Top 6.

 

[Brian39]

This is an interesting list. There are quite a few guys on there that I would love to have but can't see many if any at all would even be available. Hague could be intriguing if Vegas can't keep him around with their crazy spending but also have other Dmen coming off the books so not sure that will be the case. Will NYR be able to keep both Lindgren and Miller with Fox and Trouba both already earning a lot of money? That is something I would explore. Not sure I see anyone else on there who could be priced out by their respective teams but would be interested to hear who else on that list you guys think could become available

Unfortunately, I think that the Rangers did a good job structuring their cap to ensure that they don't have to make a decision on Miller/Lindgren/Trouba until the summer of 2025 at the earliest.

They got Miller and Lafrenier to sign cheap 2 year bridge deals last summer, which gives them the cap space to give Lindgren term this summer. They hit commitment time with Miller in the summer of 2025, but by then Panarin and Trouba only have 1 year left their deals. They may have to make a decision about Miller vs Lindgren vs. Trouba medium-to-long term at that point, but there isn't much incentive to make that decision this summer when they should still be squarely in win-now mode.

My hopes to get one of their good mid-20s LD pretty much died when Miller took a 2 bridge instead of holding out to try and either get a long term extension or a 1 year deal.

 

[Brian39]

Don’t forget that the NYR also have Braden Schneider to sign as an RFA this offseason. I don’t see them moving on from Fox, Trouba, or Miller, but I’m not sure they can afford to keep both Lindgren and Schneider. With 2 of their Top 3 being righties, I think there is a good chance they move Schneider to fill another hole. Perhaps they would be interested in a reunion with Buchnevich? Regardless of the way this season ends for them, they sure seem to have a need at RW in their Top 6.

I don't see Schneider having the leverage to get anything of consequence this summer.

He's their #6 D man and he doesn't have arbitration rights. He has a bright future, but this summer he is very much the type of player that can either take his qualifying offer in order to get arbitration rights (and hopefully a sizeable raise) in 2025 or take a 2 year bridge in order to get a modest raise now (while keeping his AAV noticeably under $2M).

If I'm the Rangers, I'd be offering him a 2 year deal in the $1.5M AAV range. That's about $2M more total dollars of guaranteed money than he'd get signing his QO and I'm not sold that there are many paths for Schneider to get much more than a $2M arbitration award in 2025 if he's still playing a bottom pair role next year (which he very clearly would be if he signs his QO and they can keep the 4 guys ahead of him). I'd have some wiggle room to move up a bit from $1.5M AAV, but in my eyes he hasn't proven as much as Kakko/Laf had for their bridges and they each have higher draft pedigree.

I think a 2 year bridge in the $1.5M AAV region is the best play for both parties and that shouldn't really impact their decisions on Lindgren/Miller. Trouba comes off the books at the same time Scheider would be due his raise after a 2 year bridge and even if the rangers keep Trouba, it will be for less than his current AAV.

I could see Schneider being a trade piece to fill a hole elsewhere, but his value is probably at a near-low and I don't think his next contract will be a factor in that decision. If I were them, I'd rather keep him as a cheap 3rd pair RD who has medium-term potential to replace Trouba on the 2nd pair instead of including him in a deal to help elsewhere. I think they'd get more bang for their buck using their existing winger prospects and/o picks to plug holes.

 

[Em etah Eh]

I don't think moving up would be a likely scenario with that package. Bad teams don't really need a pending UFA. I could see that package getting us a LD though, please don't ask who because I don't f***ing know.

Let’s look at it another way then. Before the draft we trade Buch for pick X In the first round. 16 + X = Y.

Y would have to be pick #_ or one of the top _ Dmen for me to make the trade.

(No saying that teams wouldn’t make the Buch trade until they know who exactly is on the board ,because that is 100% true and I just want something to believe in).

 

[MissouriMook]

NGL, I liked the idea of trading for Karlsson if Vegas makes him available, but I’m starting to think signing Duchene for 2-3 years instead would be a better idea if we’re shopping for a 2C placeholder until Dvorsky is ready. Can’t see him getting more than Karlsson’s $5.9M and you don’t have to give up assets.

 

[Blanick]

NGL, I liked the idea of trading for Karlsson if Vegas makes him available, but I’m starting to think signing Duchene for 2-3 years instead would be a better idea if we’re shopping for a 2C placeholder until Dvorsky is ready. Can’t see him getting more than Karlsson’s $5.9M and you don’t have to give up assets.

I'd rather avoid trading any assets and give someone like Monahan a 2-3 year deal. If Dvorsky makes the team start him on 3rd line and make him steal the top 6 spot from Monahan.

 

[simon IC]

I would prefer Monahan to Duchene, if we are going the UFA route. Monahan strikes me as being is more of a two-way player.

 

[Xerloris]

I would prefer Monahan to Duchene, if we are going the UFA route. Monahan strikes me as being is more of a two-way player.

More Dynamic offensively IMO also.

 

[MissouriMook]

I would prefer Monahan to Duchene, if we are going the UFA route. Monahan strikes me as being is more of a two-way player.

More Dynamic offensively IMO also.

My original comment was based on how much jump Duchene has shown in the playoffs so far. He has much better recent offensive production, though I would agree that Monahan would likely be better defensively. As a fit on a second line with more offensive usage centering Kyrou and Saad, though, I think I would favor Duchene.

 

[stl76]

I don’t understand the attention Monahan gets around here.

Guy had some good seasons and scored some goals in his early 20s while stapled to peak Johnny Gaudreau, then couldn’t stay healthy for years in his later 20s, until finally being traded as a cap dump. One healthy season where he puts up 59 points at 29 the year before being an UFA and now he’s a desired commodity?

I look at him and see a case of buyer beware. Montana has never been a good skater, the guy will be 30 next October and has an EXTENSIVE injury history. Some team is going to over spend on him (in both term and $) and very likely regret the contract IMO.



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[BadgersandBlues]

I think most here are looking at him as a 2C stop-gap for the next 1-2 years in the mold of a Kevin Hayes+. I don't think anyone here wants to go over 2 years on a Monahan contract.

 

[STL fan in MN]

I don’t understand the attention Monahan gets around here.

Guy had some good seasons and scored some goals in his early 20s while stapled to peak Johnny Gaudreau, then couldn’t stay healthy for years in his later 20s, until finally being traded as a cap dump. One healthy season where he puts up 59 points at 29 the year before being an UFA and now he’s a desired commodity?

I look at him and see a case of buyer beware. Montana has never been a good skater, the guy will be 30 next October and has an EXTENSIVE injury history. Some team is going to over spend on him (in both term and $) and very likely regret the contract IMO.



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If that injury history keeps his AAV and term low, then I’d be interested. If there are teams willing to pay him a lot and/or for a long time, I’d have no interest in competing with that.

I doubt too many think Monahan is amazing. It’s just that he might be a good stop-gap 2C option if he can be had relatively cheaply.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I don’t understand the attention Monahan gets around here.

Guy had some good seasons and scored some goals in his early 20s while stapled to peak Johnny Gaudreau, then couldn’t stay healthy for years in his later 20s, until finally being traded as a cap dump. One healthy season where he puts up 59 points at 29 the year before being an UFA and now he’s a desired commodity?

I look at him and see a case of buyer beware. Montana has never been a good skater, the guy will be 30 next October and has an EXTENSIVE injury history. Some team is going to over spend on him (in both term and $) and very likely regret the contract IMO.



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Because he'd be cheap, but you are right, it's more of a marginal upgrade and he does have risk. I'd much prefer Duchene on a similar short term deal for more money.

 

[sfvega]

I think most here are looking at him as a 2C stop-gap for the next 1-2 years in the mold of a Kevin Hayes+. I don't think anyone here wants to go over 2 years on a Monahan contract.

I agree. I'm not a big fan of Monahan, but I think he's a good bridge to Dvorsky hopefully filling that spot. Doesn't need to be 25, it's actually better for AAV that he is closing in on 30.

 

[BrokenFace]

I don’t understand the attention Monahan gets around here.

Guy had some good seasons and scored some goals in his early 20s while stapled to peak Johnny Gaudreau, then couldn’t stay healthy for years in his later 20s, until finally being traded as a cap dump. One healthy season where he puts up 59 points at 29 the year before being an UFA and now he’s a desired commodity?

I look at him and see a case of buyer beware. Montana has never been a good skater, the guy will be 30 next October and has an EXTENSIVE injury history. Some team is going to over spend on him (in both term and $) and very likely regret the contract IMO.



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If we were contending right now and needed a 2C, I don't think anyone here would be hoping we sign him. I just want to make sure our young wingers have a competent center to play with and Monahan fits those expectations without needing a high AAV or long contract. If Dvo is good enough to be a top 6 center sooner than expected, Monahan could easily be shifted to the wing or down a line. Easier to push a guy down the lineup when he's not on a big contract.

 

[Xerloris]

I don’t understand the attention Monahan gets around here.

Guy had some good seasons and scored some goals in his early 20s while stapled to peak Johnny Gaudreau, then couldn’t stay healthy for years in his later 20s, until finally being traded as a cap dump. One healthy season where he puts up 59 points at 29 the year before being an UFA and now he’s a desired commodity?

I look at him and see a case of buyer beware. Montana has never been a good skater, the guy will be 30 next October and has an EXTENSIVE injury history. Some team is going to over spend on him (in both term and $) and very likely regret the contract IMO.



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We desperately need a 2c. He could be a decent 2c for 2-3 years, hopefully on a semi cheap contract. The key is a stop gap to let Dvo develop.

 

[Eldon Reid]

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I will say this, if Monahan gets the deal they predict on here. I would sign him in a heartbeat. I think he is the perfect stop gap for until Dvorsky is ready for 2nd line center role.

 

[stl76]

I do not buy this idea that we NEED a 2C.

If the goal is to have a stop gap, Schenn/Buchnevich/Hayes/Dean is adequate. Or bring in some zero cost reclamation project...maybe even get an asset for taking on someone else's bad contract w/ limited term on it.

If the goal is to contend or try to make a serious push for the playoffs then we need a better/lower risk 2C than Monahan.

Either way, I just don't see Monahan as the answer unless the term and salary are so low it wouldn't make sense for him to sign the contract. What's the incentive for him to sign for 1-2 years? Someone is going to offer more than that.

 

[Mike Liut]

No way Army sits back and misses the playoffs again. He’ll be really busy this off season. Nobody is taking Krug, Faulk, Hayes, so he’ll move picks / prospects this year for upgrades that fit our window/re-tool. I’d love to see Saad moved to clear up a little cap too.

 

[MissouriMook]

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I will say this, if Monahan gets the deal they predict on here. I would sign him in a heartbeat. I think he is the perfect stop gap for until Dvorsky is ready for 2nd line center role.

I was vocal in this or some other thread about preferring Duchene over Monahan, but not if the cost difference is as suggested here. Another factor in favor of Monahan is that he is a couple of years younger, which means that if he fits and is productive, you can extend him and move him to the 3C role when Dvorsky is ready to slot in at 2C, unless someone like Dean makes Monahan redundant.

At 3 x $3M for Monahan, you would be able to give a little more (6 x $7M) to land Skjei as well even if he’s not a true #1. Running

4-55
Skjei-72

as your Top 4 and improving the secondary scoring with a Top 9 of

63-18-89
(76 or 20)-Monahan-25
10-12-(20, 76 or 13)

would certainly be a way to get back to being a playoff team. You could certainly argue that it doesn’t accomplish much in regards to becoming a “championship” team, but I’m not really sure what these two signings would do to impact future cap flexibility. I still think upgrading one or both of Krug and Faulk is necessary to start being in the Cup conversation, and moving one or both of them will free up the space you need as the cap goes up. There is no one currently in the organization that is going to get a huge raise in the near future. Even a Buchnevich extension would likely add no more than $2.5M in 2025.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I do not buy this idea that we NEED a 2C.

If the goal is to have a stop gap, Schenn/Buchnevich/Hayes/Dean is adequate. Or bring in some zero cost reclamation project...maybe even get an asset for taking on someone else's bad contract w/ limited term on it.

If the goal is to contend or try to make a serious push for the playoffs then we need a better/lower risk 2C than Monahan.

Either way, I just don't see Monahan as the answer unless the term and salary are so low it wouldn't make sense for him to sign the contract. What's the incentive for him to sign for 1-2 years? Someone is going to offer more than that.

Buch and Schenn should NEVER play down the center ever again, they are not centers at this stage of their careers, and Buch never was one in the first place. Dean is not an adequate top 9 center yet, expecting him to be is just foolish. Hayes is not a top 6 forward.

When your 2nd line center provides barely 1/2 of what your top line center and your 2nd and 3rd line centers can't even provide similar production combined you don't have a good enough center group.

 

[stl76]

Buch and Schenn should NEVER play down the center ever again, they are not centers at this stage of their careers, and Buch never was one in the first place. Dean is not an adequate top 9 center yet, expecting him to be is just foolish. Hayes is not a top 6 forward.

When your 2nd line center provides barely 1/2 of what your top line center and your 2nd and 3rd line centers can't even provide similar production combined you don't have a good enough center group.

Strong disagree that Buchnevich/Schenn should never play C again. Schenn in particular struggled last year but is 1 year removed from being more than adequate. To write him off completely seems foolish IMO. If we want to keep Buch at C then a full offseason + training camp + preseason to acclimate may lead to better results. I think the chances of 1 or both of Buch/Schenn playing adequate at C next season is higher than Monahan not dealing with more injuries in the 3+ years it would likely take to sign him.

Regardless, here is my main point: "good enough" center group depends on what the goal is.

Contend for a cup? Of course not.

Content for a playoff spot? It was good enough to be close this year, may or may not be good enough to make it next year.

Insulate prospects like Dvorsky? I think it is.