Speculation: Blackhawks trade and free agent targets

[Brobust]

From Scott Powers of The Athletic. I don't know how reliable an insider he is, but these are reportedly the player that the Hawks are interested in.

1. They have talked to the Hurricanes about Justin Faulk and Scott Darling
2. Carter Hutton
3. JVR, long shot due to cap issues but the Hawks have interest
4. Ian Cole
5. Tommy Wingels

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[pheasant]

Chicago is the only team that might consider a trade for Darling.

First off, he had some very real success there in the past. Then add in that the Hawks starter, Crawford, has some very serious health concerns at the moment. If he is able to play next season, and everyone in the organization is acting like he will be, they still might want a competent backup to ease the load and act as a safety net in case he misses time. Having no one behind Crawford this season sunk the team, as they rotated through bad options in net.

Faulk is an interesting one, as well. He is seriously talented, but flawed. Chicago needs blueline help, clearly. But is Faulk the right kind of player? He'd have to log a ton of minutes.

Very, very interesting.

 

[GoldiFox]

Faulk + Darling for Saad

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Faulk + Darling for Saad

Lol no. Actually try this time

 

[Unsustainable]

Chicago is the only team that might consider a trade for Darling.

First off, he had some very real success there in the past. Then add in that the Hawks starter, Crawford, has some very serious health concerns at the moment. If he is able to play next season, and everyone in the organization is acting like he will be, they still might want a competent backup to ease the load and act as a safety net in case he misses time. Having no one behind Crawford this season sunk the team, as they rotated through bad options in net.

Faulk is an interesting one, as well. He is seriously talented, but flawed. Chicago needs blueline help, clearly. But is Faulk the right kind of player? He'd have to log a ton of minutes.

Very, very interesting.

Faulk will eat up minutes 18+

Faulk and Darling for ?

 

[Styles]

I guess it's just assumed the the Blackhawks have cap issues every year. That's not the case this year.

 

[GoldiFox]

Lol no. Actually try this time

Canes have a projected $32 million Cap space (at $80 million projection). Way more than they could spend. I'm happy to let Dundon buyout Darling or pay him to rot away in the ECHL for 3 years, so there isn't much appeal in giving up assets like Faulk to fix the problem.

There would have to be some incentive for the Canes.

 

[Jay haller]

Chicago is the only team that might consider a trade for Darling.

First off, he had some very real success there in the past. Then add in that the Hawks starter, Crawford, has some very serious health concerns at the moment. If he is able to play next season, and everyone in the organization is acting like he will be, they still might want a competent backup to ease the load and act as a safety net in case he misses time. Having no one behind Crawford this season sunk the team, as they rotated through bad options in net.

Faulk is an interesting one, as well. He is seriously talented, but flawed. Chicago needs blueline help, clearly. But is Faulk the right kind of player? He'd have to log a ton of minutes.

Very, very interesting.

Carolina is probably going to have to take a ton of retention there like 50%. There’s no way Bowman goes with 10mill tied into two goalies long term.

More likely they go for a proven era (like Bernier or Lack) than completely rolling the dice like last year.

 

[Brobust]

I guess it's just assumed the the Blackhawks have cap issues every year. That's not the case this year.

Scott Powers words. Not mine.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Faulk + Darling (50% retained) for D Erik Gustafsson + LW Alexandre Fortin + 27th overall

 

[pheasant]

Faulk will eat up minutes 18+

Faulk and Darling for ?

Well, Faulk is appropriately paid at 4.1 million, but Darling is way to expensive at over 4 million himself.

So the first hurdle will be making the dollars work. Chicago can't add over 8 million out of the blue. The Hawks don't have many players that would be "cap dumps" as such, aside from the immovable Seabrook. So this would probably need to include retention on Darling's contract.

How much Carolina will keep will seriously change the return.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I ccould see something around 27th pick, Hossa, and Duclair for Darling at 33% retention, and Faulk.

 

[Unsustainable]

Well, Faulk is appropriately paid at 4.1 million, but Darling is way to expensive at over 4 million himself.

So the first hurdle will be making the dollars work. Chicago can't add over 8 million out of the blue. The Hawks don't have many players that would be "cap dumps" as such, aside from the immovable Seabrook. So this would probably need to include retention on Darling's contract.

How much Carolina will keep will seriously change the return.

Maybe something like what @Blackhawkswincup said?

 

[Maylo]

He's really using Matt Cane's projestions to fill all those players under Hawks cap.

 

[pheasant]

Maybe something like what @Blackhawkswincup said?

I like that idea already, ya.

What do Canes fans think Faulk would be worth by himself? Because Darling would only bring the price down, unless he's retained up to about 50% (and even then).

 

[Jay haller]

Well, Faulk is appropriately paid at 4.1 million, but Darling is way to expensive at over 4 million himself.

So the first hurdle will be making the dollars work. Chicago can't add over 8 million out of the blue. The Hawks don't have many players that would be "cap dumps" as such, aside from the immovable Seabrook. So this would probably need to include retention on Darling's contract.

How much Carolina will keep will seriously change the return.

Yes they can, but not for Scott Darling.

The hawks have to make a big splash as they are likely losing entertainment dollars to the cubs and to somewhat interesting bears

 

[Unsustainable]

I like that idea already, ya.

What do Canes fans think Faulk would be worth by himself? Because Darling would only bring the price down, unless he's retained up to about 50% (and even then).

Not sure what the team is looking for in a replacement, but a young wing or center probably for a 1 for 1 trade.

 

[Unsustainable]

What about Darling / Hossa swap?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Only if Canes retain on Darling

Taking on Darling at full salary is not viable

 

[pheasant]

Yes they can, but not for Scott Darling.

The hawks have to make a big splash as they are likely losing entertainment dollars to the cubs and to somewhat interesting bears

Well we're pretty much in agreement. They have the ability to spend a bit, and won't want full price Darling.

But if they add 8 million onto the cap in a player or two, they would end up right at the 78 million mark. That's where the cap is expected to be (or as high as 82), and they would still need to re-sign Hinostroza and Duclair.

So 8 million in, with nothing out, is pretty much impossible.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Canes have a projected $32 million Cap space (at $80 million projection). Way more than they could spend. I'm happy to let Dundon buyout Darling or pay him to rot away in the ECHL for 3 years, so there isn't much appeal in giving up assets like Faulk to fix the problem.

There would have to be some incentive for the Canes.

The problem with your proposal is Darling neutralizes Faulks value. And you certainly wont get a player of Saads caliber for Faulk with Darling tethered to him

the contracts and terms are just terrible for Chicago. They traded Panarin for Saad for contract stability. Darling was atrocious 1 year in to his deal and Faulk doesnt have much term left either.

 

[GoldiFox]

The problem with your proposal is Darling neutralizes Faulks value. And you certainly wont get a player of Saads caliber for Faulk with Darling tethered to him

the contracts and terms are just terrible for Chicago. They traded Panarin for Saad for contract stability. Darling was atrocious 1 year in to his deal and Faulk doesnt have much term left either.

I just don't see much appetite to "neutralize" Faulk's asset value just to get rid of a contract. The Canes will have to spend a good amount just to hit the Cap Floor. They can easily buyout Darling or bury him in the AHL without shelling out a top-4 RHD on a nice deal for the next 2 years.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

One thing Canes would need to consider is

Who else besides Hawks would really have interest in Darling this offseason? If Hawks are truly interested the Canes need to jump on chance to move him even if they have to swallow 50% of the contract going forward

 

[GoldiFox]

One thing Canes would need to consider is

Who else besides Hawks would really have interest in Darling this offseason? If Hawks are truly interested the Canes need to jump on chance to move him even if they have to swallow 50% of the contract going forward

Terrible players get bought out every year and Darling is on the top of everyone's "Potential Buyout Lists" this year. Don Waddell has directly said that they might bury Darling in the AHL. Chicago doesn't have Carolina over a barrel. It is only a potential fit because Chicago knows Darling better than anyone and might have a looming issue with Crawford's health.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Something around Darling possibly with some retained salary for Hossa would make sense. Carolina does it because they have new management who weren't the ones that wanted Darling in the first place, and after a very bad season he is seen as a sunk cost. Even with retaining salary, by trading Darling to CHI, CAR would get a big chunk of Darling's nearly 12 million dollars owing of the books.

Hossa can be placed on LTIR, but CHI would have to be above the cap ceiling by Hossa's entire cap hit to get the full LTIR, which might not happen. This is why for CHI, even if Darling risks being slightly overpaid, it makes sense to take him on.

Hossa's LTIR is irrelevant for CAR since they won't be near the cap ceiling and Hossa only makes 1M per season (200k if his contract is insured).

It'd be fair for CAR to get some sort of conditional pick in the deal, but maybe CHI would have more leverage since CAR would be clearing significant cash in the deal.