Friedman: Blackhawks list of untouchable players

[dk2k]

I disagree with your point that toews is a 1c. Ever since he got his big payday he regressed. This year 4 years later he finally finds the fountain of youth ?

I think the message was clear to toews not being on the all star team he isn't the same player anymore.

You can’t possibly be watching this season.

 

[inthe6ix]

If possible, within reason, what would the Hawks want for Seabrook? He's old, but is a RHD.. something we still could use even with Muzzin now in the fold.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I can appreciate all that but then why isn't Keith untouchable?

Honestly it's probably just because Toews wears the C and him and Kane were the faces of the franchise during the turnaround from a marketing standpoint

 

[Liferleafer]

If possible, within reason, what would the Hawks want for Seabrook? He's old, but is a RHD.. something we still could use even with Muzzin now in the fold.

Don't you even think about it! Don't go there...nuh uh!! In the words of the great Ross Perot "Not gonna do it".

 

[inthe6ix]

Don't you even think about it! Don't go there...nuh uh!!

lol ok will go look for that Gudas thread again then..

 

[Liferleafer]

lol ok will go look for that Gudas thread again then..

That's better....now run along and be a good boy.

 

[Znith]

UNTOUCHABLE
Kane - 10.5 (4 more years) NMC
Toews - 10.5 (4 more years) NMC

DIFFICULT TO MOVE
Seabrook - 6.875 (5 more years) NMC
Keith - 5.3(4 more years) NMC

UNLIKELY TO MOVE
DeBrincat - 1 more RFA year.
Strome - 1 more RFA year.
Jokiharju - 2 more RFA years.

BEST TO SELL
Saad - 6 (2 more years)
Anisimov - 4.5 (2 more years) M-NTC
Murphy - 3.8 (3 more years)
Gustafsson - 1.2 (1 more)
Kruger - 2.77

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Realisitcally, Chicago is in a tough situation. But, it's the cost of their wicked cup runs, and wins. I'm sure they'll turn it around in a bit, but with those assets, Saad is the meal ticket that's probably going to net them the biggest return without selling their youth. Maybe they sell DeBrincat? But that seems unlikely. Perhaps other Blackhawks fans can enlighten whether there would be other young players unlikely to be traded.

Alot if it will depend on where they draft. If you're getting a guy like Jack Hughes or Kakko, you might hold off on dealing Keith because you can re-tool quick.

Also, looks like Chicago has cleared a significant amount of cap, what if they sign a guy like Panarin? Could be a quick turnaround here.

If neither of those happen maybe they move off Keith simply for cap space + futures

The return won't be significant though due to his age and declining production

 

[Just Linda]

I don't think Blackhawks are impossible to fix. Assuming they get a top 2 pick this year, they have a 2c next year. Toews is only 30, he's got a lot of good hockey in him still. The forwards are only a Kaapo/Hughes and some tweaks away from being competitive.

The d is a bit of a dumpster fire at this point (especially with age) but I like Boqvist and Entwistle (edit: I meant Beaudin) If they can add 1 more solid piece there them it may be usable. Cap will be the issue for sure but it's not impossible.

DeBrincat - Toews - Kane
Anismov - Hughes/Kaapo - Saad
Step forwards from Strom, Kahun, Kampf, Perlini
Entwistle makes the team

On D
Keith - Boqvist
Jokiharu - Seabrook (until replaced with a better option)
Beaudin - player of the moment


I could see their retool being quick, they might feel Toews and Kane can carry them to another cup. Doesn't seem like they have another cup run in this roster but I can see them trying for a quick retool.

 

[dk2k]

Don't you even think about it! Don't go there...nuh uh!! In the words of the great Ross Perot "Not gonna do it".

Swing and a miss.

 

[inthe6ix]

That's better....now run along and be a good boy.

hah on second thought, what's Duncan Keith worth..? lefty with miles but with Gus the man over there, probably still has something left in the tank for a playoff run

 

[Gabe Kupari]

why are kane and toews untouchable?

Chicago isn't going anywhere for a while. Retain some $$$ on them and send them packing for some nice assets.

Cuz they make 2 much... Teams that would be interested or kane or toews would be interested in playing for.. 1. They aren't good 2. The teams they would likely play for aren't gutting their good team for a 10.5 million dollar cap hit

 

[Harvey Birdman]

why are kane and toews untouchable?

Chicago isn't going anywhere for a while. Retain some $$$ on them and send them packing for some nice assets.

It is a one two punch of their NMC's and their cap hits. Any team that would want them and could fit them is not going to be a good enough team for them to be willing to waive their NMC's. Any team they'd be willing to waive for, contenders or near contenders, can not fit their cap hits without performing some gutting. So why theoretically you are correct. Those two simply are essentially unmovable, hence untouchable.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Cuz they make 2 much... Teams that would be interested or kane or toews would be interested in playing for.. 1. They aren't good 2. The teams they would likely play for aren't gutting their good team for a 10.5 million dollar cap hit

They don’t make too much. Its not 2013 anymore. Kane at 10.5 per for 110pt+ is a steal.

 

[Liferleafer]

Swing and a miss.

Meh...i'm Canadian (Ya got me...it was Bush)..does Dana Carvey count?

 

[Liferleafer]

hah on second thought, what's Duncan Keith worth..? lefty with miles but with Gus the man over there, probably still has something left in the tank for a playoff run

A playoff run...sure, but he's signed for 5 more years....

 

[Taylorst]

You can’t possibly be watching this season.

You obviously can't read ! If your going to comment you should first learn how to read and comprehend .

 

[gach]

why are kane and toews untouchable?

Chicago isn't going anywhere for a while. Retain some $$$ on them and send them packing for some nice assets.

Good teams are mostly up against the cap and bottom teams are rebuilding and don't want older very very expensive players. They might be able to trade Kane but fans would go crazy and season ticket holders do need someone to watch that is still good during the rebuild

 

[FMichael]

I think Keith would return as much or more than Muzzin, for sure, if dealt

Keith can be traded in a millisecond. You don't get that caliber dman on his cap hit anymore, even if he's on the decline.

Nuthin against the guy, but I honestly wonder if there's any 'interest' in a 35 yr old who's in decline with a cap hit of $5.5 million per year for another 4 years after this?

If so - I don't think he'll command as much as Muzzin.

 

[Znith]

I don't think Blackhawks are impossible to fix. Assuming they get a top 2 pick this year, they have a 2c next year. Toews is only 30, he's got a lot of good hockey in him still. The forwards are only a Kaapo/Hughes and some tweaks away from being competitive.

The d is a bit of a dumpster fire at this point (especially with age) but I like Boqvist and Entwistle (edit: I meant Beaudin) If they can add 1 more solid piece there them it may be usable. Cap will be the issue for sure but it's not impossible.

DeBrincat - Toews - Kane
Anismov - Hughes/Kaapo - Saad
Step forwards from Strom, Kahun, Kampf, Perlini
Entwistle makes the team

On D
Keith - Boqvist
Jokiharu - Seabrook (until replaced with a better option)
Beaudin - player of the moment


I could see their retool being quick, they might feel Toews and Kane can carry them to another cup. Doesn't seem like they have another cup run in this roster but I can see them trying for a quick retool.

Also, they have nearly ~$23m in cap space depending on what the cap goes up to. Could easily sign a Panarin...just sayin

Main issue will be Craw, who knows if he can ever play again or be back for next year

 

[OTC]

My untouchables are Kane, Toews, DeBrincat and Joki. Anyone else can go.

Add Strome to your list.

 

[dk2k]

You obviously can't read ! If your going to comment you should first learn how to read and comprehend .

Most times, people who pull the "you have no reading comprehension" card can't express their ideas clearly enough to be understood. You said Toews wasn't a 1C and has regressed since his big pay day. Now, either you were wrong or you didn't say what you meant to say.

I disagree with your point that toews is a 1c. Ever since he got his big payday he regressed. This year 4 years later he finally finds the fountain of youth ?

I think the message was clear to toews not being on the all star team he isn't the same player anymore.

 

[Just Linda]

Also, they have nearly ~$23m in cap space depending on what the cap goes up to. Could easily sign a Panarin...just sayin

Main issue will be Craw, who knows if he can ever play again or be back for next year

Remind me again why they traded him away

 

[StateOfHockey101]

Wild will trade you Rask and Brodin for Keith

 

[OTC]

If possible, within reason, what would the Hawks want for Seabrook? He's old, but is a RHD.. something we still could use even with Muzzin now in the fold.

2019 2nd.

 

[Cogburn]

Saad and Murphy....what are we looking at as far as a cost from the Canucks?

I could be persuaded that Anisimov would be a great a fit for us as well.