Billy Beane to leave A's as part of blockbuster merger

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Beane was a good GM. Perhaps not good enough to have Brad Pitt play him in a movie, but still did better than most.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Beane was a good GM. Perhaps not good enough to have Brad Pitt play him in a movie, but still did better than most.

I really liked Moneyball but the lack of mention of Tejada (Royce Clayton played him lol) and their pitching staff was a little annoying. And the historical inaccuracies of the trades too. Giambi and Pena weren't traded the same day and Pena wasn't just traded for "a reliever and cash" he got traded for Ted Lilly in the 3 team deal that also included Jeff Weaver, Jeremy Bonderman and some spare parts lol.

 

[Hockeyholic]

A's will be better to finally move on from Beane

He has always been overrated and never built a winner

Teams with far less financial means have built winners or contenders consistently so the claim that A's were held back by finances are always laughable

Thank you!!!

Most overrated GM in MLB history. Everyone talks about moneyball. 20 something game winning streak.

I think of only getting past the first round once. Where they were promptly swept by Detroit.

No postseason success whatsoever.

 

[darko]

Thank you!!!

Most overrated GM in MLB history. Everyone talks about moneyball. 20 something game winning streak.

I think of only getting past the first round once. Where they were promptly swept by Detroit.

No postseason success whatsoever.

The fact he took low payroll teams to playoffs year after year is why he is rated so highly.

 

[Hockeyholic]

The fact he took low payroll teams to playoffs year after year is why he is rated so highly.

Yes. But those low payroll teams weren't exactly devoid of talent. It doesn't excuse blowing two 2-0 series. Three out of the four years they lost (00-03) were with HFA. All three times the season ended at home.

 

[darko]

Yes. But those low payroll teams weren't exactly devoid of talent. It doesn't excuse blowing two 2-0 series. Three out of the four years they lost (00-03) were with HFA. All three times the season ended at home.

Outside of the Rays which other low payroll team has had more success?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Outside of the Rays which other low payroll team has had more success?

St. Louis.
Reds in the 70's
Pirates in the 70's
Twins in 87 & 91
Royals in 14 & 15

 

[darko]

St. Louis.
Reds in the 70's
Pirates in the 70's
Twins in 87 & 91
Royals in 14 & 15

St Louis isn't low payroll team.
Royals in 14 and 15 spent money.
Let's stick to Beane era.

 

[Hockeyholic]

St Louis isn't low payroll team.
Royals in 14 and 15 spent money.
Let's stick to Beane era.

So he's been a great GM even though his team advanced past the 1st round once? At what point do results matter?

 

[darko]

So he's been a great GM even though his team advanced past the 1st round once? At what point do results matter?

Results do matter but you can't deny the work he's done with limited payroll.

Rays with all their "success" have won exactly what?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Results do matter but you can't deny the work he's done with limited payroll.

Rays with all their "success" have won exactly what?

Rays? They've actually been to a WS.

 

[darko]

Rays? They've actually been to a WS.

0 titles.

 

[Terry Yake]

Yes. But those low payroll teams weren't exactly devoid of talent. It doesn't excuse blowing two 2-0 series. Three out of the four years they lost (00-03) were with HFA. All three times the season ended at home.

yeah, those early 00s A's teams choked a couple times. as if they're the only team to choke in the playoffs

TB aside, no other team that has a payroll as low as the A's year after year has managed to get into the playoffs as often as the A's have. beane sure as hell deserves credit for that

 

[c9777666]

At least Beane got to see his A’s advance in the playoffs before he left.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Success or lack of success in 5-7 games totally overrides the prior 162. duh!

Too many children allowed to sign up now.

 

[Odie Cleghorn]

I presume the A's selling off every good player as soon as it was time for a payday is because the owner is a cheap scumbag. In which case Beane did an admirable job.

 

[SSF]

saying St. Louis is a low payroll team is funny heh.
i mean, as a cards fan, i wish they spent more but still they are top 10-12.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

I presume the A's selling off every good player as soon as it was time for a payday is because the owner is a cheap scumbag. In which case Beane did an admirable job.

When did A's become such a cheap organization? They had All Star teams in the 80s.

 

[Terry Yake]

When did A's become such a cheap organization? They had All Star teams in the 80s.

mid 90s or so, when alderson was still GM. ownership ordered him to slash payroll and that's what got him to tinker with sabermetrics. beane was his assistant GM and once alderson left, beane took over and put what he had learned to use

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

When did A's become such a cheap organization? They had All Star teams in the 80s.

Well starting in the early 90s everyone got a new park meanwhile the A's still played in that 1960s multi-functional arena unattractive to well-heeled fans and more importantly without a ton of the commercial exploitation options common to newer parks. It probably would still have been okay if they hadn't been the #2 team in a market barely big enough to support 2 teams.

 

[GarbageGoal]

When did A's become such a cheap organization? They had All Star teams in the 80s.

Ownership changed in 1995.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Cheap or not it makes 0 sense to spend a ton when you make nothing off your stadium and tv deal, especially when the rules were written to promote being cheaper. Rich people don't get and stay that way without looking out for the business first.

The league hasn't lifted a god damn finger to help Oakland with their stadium the way they have other cities.

 

[sjsharks92]

Yes. But those low payroll teams weren't exactly devoid of talent. It doesn't excuse blowing two 2-0 series. Three out of the four years they lost (00-03) were with HFA. All three times the season ended at home.

That is EXACTLY why he is such a good GM. Just because the talented teams he assembled on a miniscule payroll collapsed in the playoffs isn't an indictment of him. He was competing with teams with 3-4x the payroll of the A's.

 

[Voight]

I presume the A's selling off every good player as soon as it was time for a payday is because the owner is a cheap scumbag. In which case Beane did an admirable job.

Specifically when they let Damon, Giambi and Isringhausen all go in one off season.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Specifically when they let Damon, Giambi and Isringhausen all go in one off season.

They offered Damon and Giambi fair deals before they left. They chose to take Ny/Bos money in fa.