Best Post Cap Team (Peak season)

[MLSE]

Pick whatever season you want out of them but who would most likely beat the other 2 teams out of these 3?

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[MD93]

No Pens? Kings?

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Between Tampa and Chicago for sure.

 

[JaegerDice]

2008 Red Wings are the best cap era team by pretty much every meaningful performance metric, including playoff success obviously.

Tampa (2020), Chicago (2013) and Pittsburgh (2016) are all in the conversation for 2nd

 

[MLSE]

No Pens? Kings?

No.

IMO definitely not the kings but I guess I could have added Pens.

 

[banks]

I've never seen a team like the 2013 Blackhawks. There was no stopping them.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I've never seen a team like the 2013 Blackhawks. There was no stopping them.

Not the best measure obviously but the 2010 hawks went 16-6, 2013 hawks went 16-7. 2010 hawks had a WCF sweep and didn't play a game 7, 2013 hawks had no sweeps and were pushed to a game 7 by a not so great wings team. Being pushed to a game 7 and losing at least 1 game in every series seems more beatable than no game 7s and losing a game in 3 series.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

07-08 Detroit

• President’s Trophy
• 1st in GA, 3rd in GF
• Outshot opponents by 11/game in the regular season and 13/game in the playoffs. I cannot stress enough how insane those possession numbers are. You have to go back to the 70s to find a team that matches it.
• 3 of the Top 10 players in the world in Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg
• Their top 3 forwards, top 3 defensemen, and goalie were all playing at their peak levels (Franzen, Rafalski, Kronwall, and Osgood in addition to the aforementioned Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg.)

 

[JaegerDice]

Not the best measure obviously but the 2010 hawks went 16-6, 2013 hawks went 16-7. 2010 hawks had a WCF sweep and didn't play a game 7, 2013 hawks had no sweeps and were pushed to a game 7 by a not so great wings team. Being pushed to a game 7 and losing at least 1 game in every series seems more beatable than no game 7s and losing a game in 3 series.

The 2010 Blackhawks didn't play a team as good as either the 2013 Kings or the 2013 Bruins though. Ironically, the best team they faced was the one they swept.

Given matchups of that quality, they probably take more games to win the cup.

Also, they were a bad Martin Erat play away from going down 3-1 to the Preds in round one.

As far as raw performance in the playoffs, the only area the 2010 Blackhawks actually performed better was the PP.

The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 CF% and All-sit CF%
The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 SF% and All-sit SF%
The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 xGF% and All-sit xGF%
The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 GF% and All-sit GF%

The 2013 Blackhawks also had a better Sv% and PK%

Whatever you think about the potential or raw talent on each roster, the simple fact is the 2013 Blackhawks out-performed the 2010 Blackhawks in a big way.

 

[soothsayer]

I'd take the 2007 Ducks over any of them.

 

[soothsayer]

No.

IMO definitely not the kings but I guess I could have added Pens.

Why? The 2012 Kings lost only 4 games the entire playoffs.

 

[Vachon23]

On paper, I really like the 2010 Blackhawks

 

[JaegerDice]

I'd take the 2007 Ducks over any of them.

I don't think the 2007 Ducks beat any of the following cup winners in a 7 game series:

2008 Red Wings
2010 Blackhawks
2012 Kings
2013 Blackhawks
2014 Kings
2016 Penguins
2020 Lightning
2021 Lightning

I think the Ducks are the wet dream of many #goodhockeymen because of their #grit or what have you, but I don't think they match up to any of those teams.

 

[dukeofjive]

Chicago won there cups in 82 game seasons.

 

[soothsayer]

I don't think the 2007 Ducks beat any of the following cup winners in a 7 game series:

2008 Red Wings
2010 Blackhawks
2012 Kings
2013 Blackhawks
2014 Kings
2016 Penguins
2020 Lightning
2021 Lightning

I think the Ducks are the wet dream of many #goodhockeymen because of their #grit or what have you, but I don't think they match up to any of those teams.

Just because they had grit doesn't mean they didn't have skill. Chris Pronger and Scott Niedermeyer were at their peak that year, and Teemu Selanne was still a 94-point player, not to mention all the other skilled players they had. Hell, even Travis Moen was scoring goals that year.

 

[North Cole]

For one season? Probably one of those post lock out wings teams. The 06 wings had just a historic a season as the 19 lightning - 124 points compared to 128 points and managed to win 2 games in round one, whereas the lightning were swept. Surprised to see them get such low votes, the team that beat Crosby the first time was 16-6 in the PO.

Chicago's stretch of cups is likely the best of the three, but for one season I think the Wings edge them.

 

[ShelbyZ]

For one season? Probably one of those post lock out wings teams. The 06 wings had just a historic a season as the 19 lightning - 124 points compared to 128 points and managed to win 2 games in round one, whereas the lightning were swept. Surprised to seem them get such low votes, the team that beat Crosby the first time was 16-6 in the PO.

The thing with that 2006 team was that they had the benefit of the 3 worst teams in the West in their division and thus 24 pretty easy games. I think they went something like 21-1-2 or something like that. Then the Oilers exposed how soft and old that team was, and Legace wasn't going to cut the mustard in the playoffs.

That 2008 team was way better: Younger and faster, more grit/toughness, Rafalski > Schneider, Stuart giving them a legit top 4 D, and a bunch of guys hitting their stride just at the right time - especially Kronwall and Franzen.

 

[Juicy Pop]

I'd take the 2007 Ducks over any of them.

That's immediately who I thought of...

Kunitz - McDonald - Selanne
Penner - Getzlaf - Perry
Moen - Pahlsson - Niedermayer

Niedermayer - Beauchemin
Pronger - O'Donnell

Giguere
Bryzgalov

This is also the year that Pahlsson finished 2nd in the Selke voting.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

The 2010 Blackhawks didn't play a team as good as either the 2013 Kings or the 2013 Bruins though. Ironically, the best team they faced was the one they swept.

Given matchups of that quality, they probably take more games to win the cup.

Also, they were a bad Martin Erat play away from going down 3-1 to the Preds in round one.

As far as raw performance in the playoffs, the only area the 2010 Blackhawks actually performed better was the PP.

The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 CF% and All-sit CF%
The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 SF% and All-sit SF%
The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 xGF% and All-sit xGF%
The 2013 Blackhawks had a better 5v5 GF% and All-sit GF%

The 2013 Blackhawks also had a better Sv% and PK%

Whatever you think about the potential or raw talent on each roster, the simple fact is the 2013 Blackhawks out-performed the 2010 Blackhawks in a big way.

The 2013 hawks went to a game 7 vs a not so great wings team. 2010 hawks spank that wings team.

 

[JaegerDice]

The 2013 hawks went to a game 7 vs a not so great wings team. 2010 hawks spank that wings team.

2013 Blackhawks dont lose 2 games to any of the teams the 2010 Blackhawks played.

See, I can make unprovable statements too.

 

[HarryLime]

There hasn't been a clear cut dominating team in the cap era tbh like we've seen in other sports. You could look at 7-8 teams and nitpick but the reality is, they're all in the same tier. I would say the '13 Hawks are the closest, but the shortened season impacts their legacy. Same with the recent Lightning winners. No one towers above the rest. It's why this is the 1000th thread on the topic and you have so many diff picks. It's the 07 Ducks, no it's the 08 Wings or someone else.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I don't see how people can say hawks or bolts over the wings. Bolts have been the best team the last couple years but have struggled heavily against the jackets and isles. The 08 wings struggled against no one, and played like they were a part of a different league than everyone else. 08 pens destroyed everyone in the east until they met the wings, who made them look like an ahl team. Advanced stats back this up too.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't see how people can say hawks or bolts over the wings. Bolts have been the best team the last couple years but have struggled heavily against the jackets and isles. The 08 wings struggled against no one, and played like they were a part of a different league than everyone else. 08 pens destroyed everyone in the east until they met the wings, who made them look like an ahl team. Advanced stats back this up too.

Yeah. People forget how good the 08 Penguins were in the playoffs before they got absolutely wrecked by the Wings.


I think the poll is confusing as worded.

 

[leafsfan5]

2008 Red Wings were something else

 

[MadLuke]

Top point RS point percentage

Team	Season	GP	W	L	T	OT	P	P%
Chicago Blackhawks	20122013	48	36	7	--	5	77	0.802
Tampa Bay Lightning	20182019	82	62	16	--	4	128	0.78
Detroit Red Wings	20052006	82	58	16	--	8	124	0.756
Pittsburgh Penguins	20122013	48	36	12	--	0	72	0.75
Washington Capitals	20092010	82	54	15	--	13	121	0.738
Colorado Avalanche	20202021	56	39	13	--	4	82	0.732
Vegas Golden Knights	20202021	56	40	14	--	2	82	0.732
Washington Capitals	20152016	82	56	18	--	8	120	0.732
Washington Capitals	20162017	82	55	19	--	8	118	0.72
Boston Bruins	20192020	70	44	14	--	12	100	0.714
Carolina Hurricanes	20202021	56	36	12	--	8	80	0.714
Boston Bruins	20132014	82	54	19	--	9	117	0.713
Nashville Predators	20172018	82	53	18	--	11	117	0.713
Vancouver Canucks	20102011	82	54	19	--	9	117	0.713
San Jose Sharks	20082009	82	53	18	--	11	117	0.713
Boston Bruins	20082009	82	53	19	--	10	116	0.707
Anaheim Ducks	20132014	82	54	20	--	8	116	0.707
Florida Panthers	20202021	56	37	14	--	5	79	0.705
Detroit Red Wings	20072008	82	54	21	--	7	115	0.701

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Percentage of game that ended with a W

Team	Season	GP	Column1
Tampa Bay Lightning	20182019	82	76%
Chicago Blackhawks	20122013	48	75%
Pittsburgh Penguins	20122013	48	75%
Vegas Golden Knights	20202021	56	71%
Detroit Red Wings	20052006	82	71%
Colorado Avalanche	20202021	56	70%
Washington Capitals	20152016	82	68%
Washington Capitals	20162017	82	67%
Florida Panthers	20202021	56	66%
Pittsburgh Penguins	20202021	56	66%
Washington Capitals	20092010	82	66%
Boston Bruins	20132014	82	66%
Vancouver Canucks	20102011	82	66%
Anaheim Ducks	20132014	82	66%
Detroit Red Wings	20072008	82	66%
Tampa Bay Lightning	20172018	82	66%
Nashville Predators	20172018	82	65%
San Jose Sharks	20082009	82	65%
Boston Bruins	20082009	82	65%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goal for %

Team	Season	GP	Column1
Vegas Golden Knights	20202021	56	156%
Chicago Blackhawks	20122013	48	154%
Ottawa Senators	20052006	82	152%
Boston Bruins	20132014	82	151%
Colorado Avalanche	20202021	56	149%
Washington Capitals	20162017	82	147%
Detroit Red Wings	20052006	82	146%
Tampa Bay Lightning	20182019	82	144%
Vancouver Canucks	20102011	82	143%
Boston Bruins	20082009	82	142%
Detroit Red Wings	20072008	82	141%
Washington Capitals	20092010	82	138%
Pittsburgh Penguins	20122013	48	136%
Boston Bruins	20192020	70	136%
New York Rangers	20142015	82	133%
Detroit Red Wings	20062007	82	132%
Carolina Hurricanes	20202021	56	131%
Washington Capitals	20152016	82	130%
Anaheim Ducks	20132014	82	130%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Shots domination (where those wings were so special):

Team	Season	GP	Column1
Detroit Red Wings	20072008	82	146%
Detroit Red Wings	20062007	82	137%
Colorado Avalanche	20202021	56	136%
Chicago Blackhawks	20092010	82	136%
Detroit Red Wings	20082009	82	131%
Detroit Red Wings	20052006	82	128%
San Jose Sharks	20132014	82	125%
San Jose Sharks	20082009	82	122%
Ottawa Senators	20052006	82	120%
Vegas Golden Knights	20202021	56	120%
Chicago Blackhawks	20122013	48	119%
Florida Panthers	20202021	56	116%
Anaheim Ducks	20062007	82	115%
St. Louis Blues	20142015	82	114%
Carolina Hurricanes	20202021	56	113%
Boston Bruins	20172018	82	113%
Toronto Maple Leafs	20202021	56	113%
Dallas Stars	20052006	82	111%
St. Louis Blues	20132014	82	111%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Playoff run

Team	Season	GP	P%	GF%	Shot%
Los Angeles Kings	20112012	20	0.8	1.9	1.133333
Detroit Red Wings	20072008	22	0.727	1.756098	1.54661
Tampa Bay Lightning	20202021	23	0.696	1.666667	0.973684
Detroit Red Wings	20082009	23	0.652	1.583333	1.291815
Boston Bruins	20182019	24	0.625	1.54902	1.051613
Boston Bruins	20082009	11	0.636	1.545455	1.013559
Boston Bruins	20102011	25	0.64	1.528302	0.938235
Colorado Avalanche	20192020	15	0.633	1.463415	1.327273
Pittsburgh Penguins	20072008	20	0.7	1.418605	0.970588
Washington Capitals	20172018	24	0.667	1.409836	1.104167
Colorado Avalanche	20202021	10	0.6	1.407407	1.019868
Boston Bruins	20122013	22	0.636	1.382979	1.026012
Anaheim Ducks	20142015	16	0.688	1.357143	1.202703
Tampa Bay Lightning	20192020	25	0.72	1.350877	1.185185
Pittsburgh Penguins	20162017	25	0.64	1.350877	0.902516
Chicago Blackhawks	20122013	23	0.696	1.333333	1.163265
Pittsburgh Penguins	20152016	24	0.667	1.327273	1.246429
Tampa Bay Lightning	20102011	18	0.611	1.311111	0.881098
New York Rangers	20062007	10	0.6	1.304348	1.174658

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Are to tell with those 3 teams, 12-13 Hawks had a 48 games so that could be a tie breaker.

That said a can imagine a team choosing one of them over the peak Ducks, matching wise.

Those mid 90s to late 2000s wings, when they had good goaltending were near perfect and that year Osgood played like an HOF and 43 year's old Hasek was the backup.