Best players MTL has developed since the Patrick Roy days

[Number 57]

I was curious about this so I decided to make a ranking. For the record I included only players who spent the beginning of their career in the Montreal Canadiens organization. It doesn't mean they were drafted by Montreal but they could have been acquired at 19 or 20 years old for exemple. As long as they didn't play too many games with another team (Eller is included for exemple, but not McDonagh).

What would be your ranking?

1. Patrick Roy
2. Carey Price
3. Chris Chelios
4. Saku Koivu
5. Guy Carbonneau
6. Eric Desjardins
7. Mats Naslund
8. Andrei Markov
9. Petr Svoboda
10. John Leclair
11. Stephane Richer
12. Brendan Gallagher
13. Jose Theodore
14. PK Subban
15. Max Pacioretty
16. Claude Lemieux
17. Tomas Plekanec
18. Jaroslav Halak
19. Shayne Corson
20. Lars Eller
21. Mike Ribeiro
22. Valeri Bure
23. Mike Komisarek
24. Phillip Danault
25. Benoit Brunet / Brian Savage / Michael Ryder / Darcy Tucker / Patrice Brisebois / Craig Rivet

Hopefully I didn't miss too many old timers!

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[JuJu Mobb]

Flip Markov & Desjardins.

Maybe flip Koivu & Carbo.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Flip Markov & Desjardins.

Was going to say the same thing.

And holy underrating of Subban's elite years.

And Valeri Bure before Ryder is pure fantasy

 

[SOLR]

I think Brisebois is much higher. Not for the last part of his career, but for the first part.

Valeri Bure? Nah. Ryder > Bure - by a mile.

And Carey Price isn't ahead of Chelios, Saku or Carbo. Roy and Chelios are far ahead of the pack.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Svoboda at 9 seems high.

 

[tazsub3]

Komisarek in that list ???? no way

 

[SOLR]

Flip Markov & Desjardins.

Maybe flip Koivu & Carbo.

Nah, Desjardins was our first D in the 90s and then stayed in Philies top Ds for a long while. Markov didn't have an early career like that, he's a late bloomer.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Pretty sad that Eller made the list at 20

 

[Lebowski]

Subban is wayyyy too low. Should be 3rd or 4th.

 

[tazsub3]

Mathieu Schneider is way better then Komisarek and not on list

 

[CoupeStanley]

Subban is too low and noway Price is ahead of Chelios at this point.

 

[the]

Overrated Gallagher over Subban, Pacioretty, Halak, Plekanec, Ribeiro, Schneider, Theodore?

How?

 

[The Real Timo]

Flip Desjardins with Desharnais and put him #1 and we have a list.

 

[Number 57]

Mathieu Schneider is way better then Komisarek and not on list

You're right I forgot about him

 

[Treb]

Kotkaniemi and Suzuki will go up that list real fast.

 

[Number 57]

If we are putting Subban this high like some of you are suggesting that means we are only basing it on his 3-4 elite years. Then it means a guy like Theodore would also need to be top-5 based on his prime.

Meanwhile some of you are questionning why Komisarek is even on the list. Well he wasn't elite like Subban but he too had a couple years of great hockey in his prime when he was Markov's partner on the first pairing.

So how can you ask Subban to be bumped up but Komisarek to be discarded? It makes no sense.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Subban should be 3 or 4 behind Chelios/Price (idc the order between those two)

 

[Lebowski]

If we are putting Subban this high like some of you are suggesting that means we are only basing it on his 2-3 elite years. Then it means a guy like Theodore would also need to be top-5 based on his prime.

Meanwhile some of you are questionning why Komisarek is even on the list. Well he wasn't elite like Subban but he too had 2-3 years of great hockey in his prime when he was Markov's partner on the first pairing.

So how can you ask Subban to be bumped up but Komisarek to be discarded? It makes no sense.

... How are those two situations even remotely comparable? 2-3 elite years? Subban was elite his entire career until this season.

As a guy that has been a Norris finalist three times in his career (including a win), how can you possibly justify having Gallagher ahead of him, for example? Or even Koivu?

 

[JoelWarlord]

If we are putting Subban this high like some of you are suggesting that means we are only basing it on his 3-4 elite years. Then it means a guy like Theodore would also need to be top-5 based on his prime.

Because Theodore didn't have 3-4 elite years, he had 1. Subban was a top pair defenceman as a rookie and in 18-19, and had a 7 year run as an elite defenceman between 2011-18 and won a Norris. They're just not comparable situations at all and Subban is a completely different tier of player from everyone on this list besides Roy/Price/Chelios.

So how can you ask Subban to be bumped up but Komisarek to be discarded? It makes no sense.

Meanwhile some of you are questionning why Komisarek is even on the list. Well he wasn't elite like Subban but he too had a couple years of great hockey in his prime when he was Markov's partner on the first pairing.

Because Komisarek was garbage away from Markov while Subban won a Norris trophy spending almost 70% of his ice time with Gorges and Bouillion. They're just completely different players, I don't get this comparison at all. Komisarek was an OK #4 who was carried by Markov for a few years and Subban was a truly elite Norris winner who spent most of his time playing with Gorges, there is no hypocrisy to thinking Subban should be rated higher for a 9 year run as a top pair D with 7 years of elite play and that a mediocre #4 should be off the list.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Nah, Desjardins was our first D in the 90s and then stayed in Philies top Ds for a long while. Markov didn't have an early career like that, he's a late bloomer.

Wuuuuh? Markov turned the habs around by his presence alone and was pretty friggin good as a 21-22 years old. He was far from a late bloomer. Right off thd bat he was by far the team's best and most talented player, even above Saku.

 

[CoupeStanley]

Wuuuuh? Markov turned the habs around by his presence alone and was pretty friggin good as a 21-22 years old. He was far from a late bloomer. Right off thd bat he was by far the team's best and most talented player, even above Saku.

I agree with you that Markov was good right off the bad but while I think Markov was a better player overall I still have to put Desjardins ahead because he was such a playoff beast.

 

[Tyson]

Chelios should be above Price.

 

[Edgy]

Developed into what? Using Roy as the baseline would eliminate 90% of that list.

 

[Paddyjack]

Skrudland, McPhee could be in that list. Very solid players without being stars. Unless they came before Roy?

 

[SOLR]

Wuuuuh? Markov turned the habs around by his presence alone and was pretty friggin good as a 21-22 years old. He was far from a late bloomer. Right off thd bat he was by far the team's best and most talented player, even above Saku.

Desjardins was in the lineup at 19, bloomed around 22. Markov was in the lineup at 21 and bloomed at 25.