Because of that, it's not as absurd a comparison as the skewed numbers suggest. Picture a Kidney who commits to the weight room and packs another 15-20 pounds, which is conceivable. He may never have Beck's faceoff ability, but he is intriguing based on offensive skill.
Totally, we could trade Kidney now and in ten years look back the trade and saying that wasnt really intelligent to trade a guy wich put 100 pts in the Q 2 years arrow. Kidney pedigree looks like more future NHler than ahler….
This is so wrong lmao. Why make Kidney buffer and slower when his game is all about speed, IQ and shiftiness. We have great offensive prospects and you want to turn them into Travis Moen. Makes 0 sense.
Um, I didn't mention where the weight would be distributed. What if 19 pounds go into the legs and 1 into his torso: does he necessarily get slower? Of course, that's an exaggeration, but players routinely put on weight as they mature into NHL players. If he is stronger at fighting through checks, and the bulk of his weight is in his lower body, how is that Moen-like? Marner went from 160 to 183 from the draft to now; packing 23 pounds. How Moen-like is he? Do the extra pounds result in neuronal attrition, sapping him of his IQ?
This list is not static, and it would be biased by Kidney's current physical characteristics, whereas Beck plays a "200-foot game", or rather an 180-foot game, since he is not as proficient as Kidney near the opposing goal. I like Beck better, but not as lopsidedly as the vote is going.
You do realize adding weight in legs can also detrimental to speed and that by all accounts studies have proven that regardless of the training regimen you have very little agency in the way your body allocates resources (fats, collagen, etc.) in the legs, abdomen, shoulders, etc. The way this poll is going is embarassing. People in MTL have been clamoring for high end skill for decades and would rather keep a guy that struggled to be the 4th best offensive option on his team than a dude who completely demolished the CHL in his sleep.
Ryan, I'm a biomedical engineering professor; I _teach_ biomechanics, among other things, and I review and submit proposals with NIH (some of mine get funded). I just gave you a world-class 23-pound counterexample to your hypothesis; I could have dug up hundreds of such players over the years whose performance didn't suffer. Do you really expect to sway me with your "studies"? Find me a paper on Pubmed, then maybe we'll talk.
How do you prove that Marner's performance is not hindered by gaining this so-called weight? NHLers also lose a very large amount of weight during the hockey season. Would not be surprised if Marner ends the year in the 160s. If that. You prove nothing with your posts. The truth is : Players like Beck rarely become better than 3Cs and often end up out of the league in a few years whereas players who produce like Kidney have a very high success rate at becoming top 6 players.
Doing 100 pts in the Q does not translate into an NHLer. Kidney seems to me 100% offense so if he can't translate that, he is finished because he doesn't bring anything else. Look at Roy, personally I still don't believe he will make it after seeing play several times in Sherbrooke. The only reason I still give Roy a slim chance is because I could see in the WJ tournament last season that he has a good 2-way play abilities, which gives him an edge to go further up.
Basically as a fan I just won't spend my time tracking their development and getting in flame wars with other fans about their potential lol
To be PPg at draft year in the Q and putting 100 pts and + the 2 following years is something difficult. There is bust sure, but, in my book. Your are closer from nhler than an ahler.
Voted Kidney because I checked the results and felt bad for the kid.
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Kidney's game is most definitely not all about speed, it is one of his biggest weaknesses.
Kidney skates circles around Beck. Kidney's game isn't tailored around cherry-picking and going around defensemans, but he can really turn on the jets when needed.
When all you can do is ad hominem and not watch Q games it's not surprising you have this mentality. Beck is a mid skater. If he was a good one he'd be putting up better numbers. Stop spouting crap.
Someone had a bad day
. When your argument is so weak you have to cover your ears when someone goes against it maybe it's time to rethink your position.
I really don’t understand how you can say that you watch Q games and say that Kidney is a good skater in all due respect.
