OT: Bears & NFL Talk 97

[No Fun Shogun]

That safety was the hardest that I’ve laughed at sports in a long time.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Purdy with 4th INT and Ravens quickly score off it

Game is becoming blowout thanks to one man meltdown

 

[TLEH]

He threw one bad interception and the rest were tips.

 

[Illinihockey]

I don't see it. Even if the Bears draft Williams, I think it's more likely they move him on draft day then keep him.

I can’t remember the last time that happened. NFL teams keep the players they draft

 

[HeisenBaez]

I can’t remember the last time that happened. NFL teams keep the players they draft

Eli Manning forced a trade from S.D. to NY. Peyton Manning went back to school instead of being drafted by the Jets. Williams' father has already hinted his son would rather go back to USC than to be drafted by the Bears. I'm telling ya, Williams and his father are a headache waiting to happen.

 

[Romang67]

Eli Manning forced a trade from S.D. to NY. Peyton Manning went back to school instead of being drafted by the Jets. Williams' father has already hinted his son would rather go back to USC than to be drafted by the Bears. I'm telling ya, Williams and his father are a headache waiting to happen.

No he hasn't. Spreading misinformation is bad.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Yeah, the closest that I've heard is that he has a list of teams that he'd be most thrilled to play for. Even if you potentially extended that to a list of teams that if they're first overall that he'd just go back to the NCAA and get Big Ten NIL money for a year, so what? That'd have no impact on us, as he'd either declare and lose eligibility or not declare and we wouldn't be able to draft him.

If he declares, he's doing so knowing that the Bears might ruin draft him and that he's thereby okay with that.

And look, we all know our QB track record. If a QB prospect isn't a bit worried about coming here, he's probably dumber than a box of rocks or is just thrilled at the overreach that we took in getting him.

 

[Illinihockey]

Eli Manning forced a trade from S.D. to NY. Peyton Manning went back to school instead of being drafted by the Jets. Williams' father has already hinted his son would rather go back to USC than to be drafted by the Bears. I'm telling ya, Williams and his father are a headache waiting to happen.

So one time ever and it happened 20 years ago because a player wanted to go to a big market. Second where did Williams father say that. What’s the exact quote

 

[ClydeLee]

I've also never heard anyone ever claim Peyton was avoiding the Jets

 

[Sarava]

No he hasn't. Spreading misinformation is bad.

MSN

www.msn.com

Click this link for the rumor. This rumor was never verified as far as I know, but I do recall the rumor.

I think if you're the Bears and...and if you get the #1 pick and if you want to select Caleb with that pick, you talk to him and let him speak for himself on if he wants to be a Bear or not. You obviously don't want to bring someone in that doesn't want to be here. But hopefully that's not the case.

 

[Romang67]

MSN

www.msn.com

Click this link for the rumor. This rumor was never verified as far as I know, but I do recall the rumor.

I think if you're the Bears and...and if you get the #1 pick and if you want to select Caleb with that pick, you talk to him and let him speak for himself on if he wants to be a Bear or not. You obviously don't want to bring someone in that doesn't want to be here. But hopefully that's not the case.

Right, to my earlier point about misinformation spread being bad. The "source" for that rumor is literally just some bloke on twitter. That's it. Some bored dude made something up on Twitter, and it spread for a little bit because Twitter is a cesspool of misinformation and people don't generally take the time to verify anything they see.

 

[Sarava]

Right, to my earlier point about misinformation spread being bad. The "source" for that rumor is literally just some bloke on twitter. That's it. Some bored dude made something up on Twitter, and it spread for a little bit because Twitter is a cesspool of misinformation and people don't generally take the time to verify anything they see.

Totally agree. But you can see why Caleb liking that tweet the other day would start making people believe it a bit more. It's adding to a narrative that was already out there (however legit or bs that it was) that he doesn't want to come to Chicago.

As I said, if the Bears end up in that position, they just need to talk to him and go from there.

 

[Idionym]

Totally agree. But you can see why Caleb liking that tweet the other day would start making people believe it a bit more. It's adding to a narrative that was already out there (however legit or bs that it was) that he doesn't want to come to Chicago.

As I said, if the Bears end up in that position, they just need to talk to him and go from there.

Apparently he's known to like tweets that are talking shit about him, so the whole tweet "scandal" is overblown.

 

[Romang67]

Totally agree. But you can see why Caleb liking that tweet the other day would start making people believe it a bit more. It's adding to a narrative that was already out there (however legit or bs that it was) that he doesn't want to come to Chicago.

As I said, if the Bears end up in that position, they just need to talk to him and go from there.

I mean, he liked another tweet right after talking about his going to the Bears.

The media desperately need controversy to push before the draft. Don't feed into it.

 

[Romang67]

Apparently he's known to like tweets that are talking shit about him, so the whole tweet "scandal" is overblown.

That liked tweet resulted in actual articles (being generous with the terms actual and article) being written because it drives clicks and feed controversy. The other tweet that he liked talking about his going to the Bears did not.

Sports media is in a bad place.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

If a prospect's biggest knock is that they liked a non-racist/sexist/homophobic tweet, then they're a pretty attractive prospect.

And, again, even if the rumor is true and he absolutely will not play for the Bears, he'll just not declare and thereby keep his collegiate eligibility, so we wouldn't be able to draft him anyway.

 

[Sarava]

I mean, he liked another tweet right after talking about his going to the Bears.

The media desperately need controversy to push before the draft. Don't feed into it.

I actually don't care either way. Though I'm leaning towards wanting to draft him if they get the #1. The other options are pretty glorious as well.

 

[ClydeLee]

To not play the bowl game but comeback would be the biggest disrespect to the team and lockeroom

He's coming into the draft.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

To not play the bowl game but comeback would be the biggest disrespect to the team and lockeroom

He's coming into the draft.

Solid point. That was a pretty polite bridge burning. He'd probably be inclined to enter the transfer portal in that case, which I kind of doubt.

He's not some monolingual guy trying to avoid Quebec, he'll accept the Bears' millions.

 

[Romang67]

I actually don't care either way. Though I'm leaning towards wanting to draft him if they get the #1. The other options are pretty glorious as well.

I think that's a sensible way to view it. If, at draft time, Williams for some reason decides that he's requesting a trade because he hates deep dish, Poles will have to deal with it then. I think we're past the point of it being remotely plausible that he doesn't enter the draft since he's sitting out the bowl game.

 

[Sarava]

I think that's a sensible way to view it. If, at draft time, Williams for some reason decides that he's requesting a trade because he hates deep dish, Poles will have to deal with it then. I think we're past the point of it being remotely plausible that he doesn't enter the draft since he's sitting out the bowl game.

It could be that he views the Bears ruined Fields' development and he doesn't want the same happening to him. Who knows man. Like we said, this might be all made up.

Just get the #1 and good things are coming no matter what.

Go Jaguars!

 

[HeisenBaez]

Let say Eberflus/Poles do come back in 2024 (which, imo, is very likely at this point), they are not going to put their future in Chicago in the hands of a rookie. They MAY draft Caleb Williams but my guess is that they'll probably sign a bridge QB, like Tannahill or Minshew, and basically have Caleb redshirt his rookie season. That, imo, would be the only scenario I could tolerate taking Williams.

IMO, Marvin Harrison Jr or a trade down (especially if you get another DJ Moore type package for the #1 pick) helps the Bears win more in 2024 than Caleb Williams.

 

[Praetorian Caps]

Let say Eberflus/Poles do come back in 2024 (which, imo, is very likely at this point), they are not going to put their future in Chicago in the hands of a rookie. They MAY draft Caleb Williams but my guess is that they'll probably sign a bridge QB, like Tannahill or Minshew, and basically have Caleb redshirt his rookie season. That, imo, would be the only scenario I could tolerate taking Williams.

IMO, Marvin Harrison Jr or a trade down (especially if you get another DJ Moore type package for the #1 pick) helps the Bears win more in 2024 than Caleb Williams.

If Eberflus comes back next season there's no way to justify drafting him a QB in a lame duck year. Poles would have to be an idiot. That's precisely why we're in this mess in the first place and how the Trubisky Nagy cluster bust happened.

If Matt comes back he's got to roll with Fields or if Poles wants to draft a new QB, whoever he is, then bring in a new coach so they'll be on the same time line. The last thing I want is for someone else's signal caller to be hoisted on the new coach and we start this cycle for third bloody time!?

 

[Romang67]

Let say Eberflus/Poles do come back in 2024 (which, imo, is very likely at this point), they are not going to put their future in Chicago in the hands of a rookie. They MAY draft Caleb Williams but my guess is that they'll probably sign a bridge QB, like Tannahill or Minshew, and basically have Caleb redshirt his rookie season. That, imo, would be the only scenario I could tolerate taking Williams.

IMO, Marvin Harrison Jr or a trade down (especially if you get another DJ Moore type package for the #1 pick) helps the Bears win more in 2024 than Caleb Williams.

The 2 year tenured GM isn't going to draft a rookie QB? Is Poles on the hot seat?

 

[TLEH]

Let say Eberflus/Poles do come back in 2024 (which, imo, is very likely at this point), they are not going to put their future in Chicago in the hands of a rookie. They MAY draft Caleb Williams but my guess is that they'll probably sign a bridge QB, like Tannahill or Minshew, and basically have Caleb redshirt his rookie season. That, imo, would be the only scenario I could tolerate taking Williams.

IMO, Marvin Harrison Jr or a trade down (especially if you get another DJ Moore type package for the #1 pick) helps the Bears win more in 2024 than Caleb Williams.

If Carolina loses 1 of the next two games, or the Cardinals win a game, and Caleb Williams doesn’t get hurt in preseason or training camp, he is starting week 1 for the Chicago Bears.