Bears and NFL Talk Thread LIII: Countdown to the Preseason

[HawksBeerFan]

The only thing I'd be against is if they moved out of 8 into the 20's. If they did that they better get an absolute haul of picks.

Honestly I'd be OK with something like the Patriots 2 1st rounds in exchange for our pick.

 

[BK]

I'm sure there are people that know and watch more on hear than I do, but when I saw him play (mostly the playoffs), I loved him. He was always around the ball and would hit hard. If Bears can't get Nelson, he's my 2nd choice.

Nice. I am a Nelson fan but agree that trading up is a bad idea.

 

[RayP]

I’d be happy with him. There’s not many people I would be disappointed with in the 8 slot.

I know we could use an elite defensive back, but I’m not sure I’d want one for this draft at 8. I’d rather have Chubb or Smith.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Well sure, in a vacuum I'd prefer a great guard to a good guard, the same way I'd prefer a great something to a good something. The problem is we only have one pick in the first round, so it's about WHERE you want to be great. I happen to think there would be more impact to the Bears if they drafted a great LB and settled for a good guard than vice versa.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want a LB in round 1 either. OLB is a critical pass rush position in Vic's defense and ILB is just a critical position in his defense in general.

If I thought there was an equal chance of Smith/Edmunds being great to Nelson being great, I'd agree with you. I just think that Nelson is much more likely to be an All-Pro or best at his position than they are. Give me Nelson.

 

[RayP]

I'm sure there are people that know and watch more on hear than I do, but when I saw him play (mostly the playoffs), I loved him. He was always around the ball and would hit hard. If Bears can't get Nelson, he's my 2nd choice.

I just remember him for some reason as just looking physically bigger and stronger than everyone else when he was involved in a play.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

I know we could use an elite defensive back, but I’m not sure I’d want one for this draft at 8. I’d rather have Chubb or Smith.

I think going secondary would be the one thing that would disappoint me a bit today.

 

[Illinihockey]

For what its worth in Mayock's top 100 prospects in this draft he has Nelson 2 and Smith 4

 

[Illinihockey]

If I thought there was an equal chance of Smith/Edmunds being great to Nelson being great, I'd agree with you. I just think that Nelson is much more likely to be an All-Pro or best at his position than they are. Give me Nelson.

Not to belabor the point but you can likely find a starting guard when teams start cutting guys after the draft. Hell the Bears got Sitton that way. You probably aren't finding a starting linebacker in the third wave of free agency.

 

[Illinihockey]

Honestly I'd be OK with something like the Patriots 2 1st rounds in exchange for our pick.

I'd want a little more than the 31st pick if we're moving back to 23. Maybe if they gave 23, 31, and 63 I could stomach it. Would give the Bears picks 23, 31, 39, 63

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Not to belabor the point but you can likely find a starting guard when teams start cutting guys after the draft. Hell the Bears got Sitton that way. You probably aren't finding a starting linebacker in the third wave of free agency.

Sure, but at 8 I want elite, not just replacement level. I think the chances of Nelson being elite at his position are higher than anyone in the draft.

 

[BK]

I'd want a little more than the 31st pick if we're moving back to 23. Maybe if they gave 23, 31, and 63 I could stomach it. Would give the Bears picks 23, 31, 39, 63

Agreed.

 

[HawksBeerFan]

If I thought there was an equal chance of Smith/Edmunds being great to Nelson being great, I'd agree with you. I just think that Nelson is much more likely to be an All-Pro or best at his position than they are. Give me Nelson.

Sure there's a better chance of Nelson being that but it still doesn't outweigh the positional value. There's a reason that elite prospects at positions of lesser impact don't get taken in the top 5.

I also agree Edmunds is risky but IMO Smith is a safe bet to be a high impact NFL middle linebacker.

I'm not saying Nelson won't be great or wouldn't be an impact player but the impact of individuals who play his position is much smaller overall than other positions.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

In general, I like the idea of trading down and getting more picks, but with the QBs and Barkley figuring to go ahead of the Bears, this pick seems more like they will get the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft. I'd want a big haul to move down.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Is Mayfield really going to go #1? I just don't think he's going to be a good NFL QB, but maybe I'm way off.

 

[RayP]

Is Mayfield really going to go #1? I just don't think he's going to be a good NFL QB, but maybe I'm way off.

I’d take him over any other QB in this draft. With that said, he doesn’t seem like #1 overall material to me.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

I’d take him over any other QB in this draft. With that said, he doesn’t seem like #1 overall material to me.

I honestly can't even put my finger on what it is I don't like about him. He just strikes me as a great college QB who won't be a good pro. I feel the same way about Lamar Jackson, but some people like him too. It's quite possible, I'm way off, lol.

That said, there isn't really a QB I love in this draft. Gun to my head, I guess I'd go Darnold, but none of them strike me as #1 pick level talents.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Falling? Smith has been projected at #10-15 for months now.

Smith has been projected as a top 10 pick since bowl game performance and thru combine

His stock has been rising and the combine 40 run really got him shooting up draft boards. He gained 11 pounds before combine and scouts wondered how it would affect him. He then ran an impressive 4.51 putting to bed any doubts and showing he could add weight and not see decline in his abilities

He has been top 10 pick in vast majority of mocks from experts

 

[clydesdale line]

Smith has been projected as a top 10 pick since bowl game performance and thru combine

His stock has been rising

I put #10 down but he's been #10-15 in almost every mock and analyst I've seen till the past few days. Same with Mayfield being the 4th-5th QB now all of a sudden potentially the #1 guy.

 

[RayP]

Lamar Jackson was one of my favorite players to watch in college football, but yeah I see him as a huge bust at the next level.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

I put #10 down but he's been #10-15 in almost every mock and analyst I've seen till the past few days. Same with Mayfield being the 4th-5th QB now all of a sudden potentially the #1 guy.

Not that it matters either way, but most the mocks I saw had Smith in the 10-15 range as well.

 

[Illinihockey]

Smith was going at 6 in some of the more recent mocks but 6-12 is generally where he fell.

 

[Duck Off]

Is Mayfield really going to go #1? I just don't think he's going to be a good NFL QB, but maybe I'm way off.

As an OU fan, who watches regularly, taking Mayfield at 1 would be a huge mistake. He's definitely a boom or bust guy though.

 

[Duck Off]

so its draft day: List who you want:

1. Chubb (I know it's not realistic, but he fills by far our biggest need)
2. Nelson (don't love taking a guard this high, but seems like a can't miss guy)
3. Edmunds (risky taking over Smith, but worth it IMO)

I'd be really happy if we ended up with any of those 3. I'm not crazy about Smith personally. I worry about his size. I see him being a starting LB, but not someone who dominates and makes an impact every game.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Chubb
Nelson
Smith

Not expecting Chubb there, so all in on Nelson.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Chubb
Smith
James