Barzal question for Throttle (and everyone else)
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Throttle
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Huberdeau is a 100x better passer than Tkachuk, however, Tkachuk is a 100x better overall player. Florida made the choice to upgrade their roster for the better overall player vs. a player with an effective, but more limited skillset.
And Florida was 100% right and reaping the benefits, whereas Calgary is now stuck with trying to find players to work with a player of limited skillset. Sound familiar?
Torrey Redux
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No one. But you seem to have missed the point of my post, just because there is no one on the Islanders who can do what Barzal can do, that doesn't mean that there isn't anyone else in the league who can. And, of course, there are those who do it better. All I'm saying is that any potential deals that represent fair value or perhaps an upgrade or perhaps a better fit should be considered, particularly in the absence of great success with the status quo. Doesn't mean you have to pull the trigger if it doesn't seem right, but you have to keep an open mind to it.
Wrong approach, you build the team around your best skilled players that you have invested in and know well.
Torrey Redux
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Oh, well, I guess you told me.
But despite now knowing just how wrong my approach is, and thank you for that by the way, just out of curiosity, what if you're best skilled players (workers) aren't getting you the results you want? What if your investments would do better if they were reinvested elsewhere? Do you just stubbornly stick with them anyway? Is that how you conduct your business/life?
Oh, and, given that I now know the right approach, I guess that means you stick with your most experienced GM, because he's your guy and you build around him, right? You don't even consider making change there. God forbid.
Throttle
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There’s enough evidence there to indicate he’s NOT the player to build around. We’ll see how the next 8 years goes. My guess is plodding along in the hopes he’s someone he’s not.
WPG already did this exercise with Laine, then PLD. What team is looking like the winner of the 3? WPG, LAK, or CLB?
Florida did the same with Huberdeau. How’s Calgary looking?
I would trade Barzal for Matt Tkachuk, or Elias Pettersson. Both players are a tier above Barzal. (They are a tier below the MacKinnon & Makar, who are a tier below McDavid.) There is absolutely no chance that Florida or Vancouver would, so this post is both obvious & pointless. When the only answers to a question are stupid or obvious, the question isn't a good one.
I believe Barzal and Eichel have different strengths, but are very similar in how they can contribute to team success. Eichel has also been subject to a ton of criticism when he played with subpar talent. Then he won a cup, showing the ability to fit in to a line. I think Barzal can absolutely do that. But, yeah, he's not Tkachuk. Unlike Tkachuk, he's missing some of the tools. You can tell Barzal worked extremely hard trying to improve his finishing with very uneven results. Otoh, he also worked very hard improving his defensive zone play with very good results. IMO that's all one can ask of a player - to improve where they can.
I believe Barzal and Eichel have different strengths, but are very similar in how they can contribute to team success. Eichel has also been subject to a ton of criticism when he played with subpar talent. Then he won a cup, showing the ability to fit in to a line. I think Barzal can absolutely do that. But, yeah, he's not Tkachuk. Unlike Tkachuk, he's missing some of the tools. You can tell Barzal worked extremely hard trying to improve his finishing with very uneven results. Otoh, he also worked very hard improving his defensive zone play with very good results. IMO that's all one can ask of a player - to improve where they can.
Glory Days
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Not all skilled players are winning players. Barzal is very talented but I'm not yet convinced he is a winning player.
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Is Barzal a winner? What's the metric to be considered a sinner... Stanley Cup only? If so, I guess it's inconclusive.
But, I don't see how Barzal leading the Islanders in playoff scoring over four playoff runs and six post season series wins is a smoking gun indicator that he can't be a winner.
But, I don't see how Barzal leading the Islanders in playoff scoring over four playoff runs and six post season series wins is a smoking gun indicator that he can't be a winner.
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Throttle
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Well, like people like to say, that was all Trotz and his system…
What’s the flash been doing now to lead the Isles to the playoffs this season?
CupHolders
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I guess we can also ask that of the supposedly stalwart players like Horvat et al.
Somehow there is reputation and narrative that isn’t lining up equitably. I see three solid top line players in Nelson, Horvat and Barzal… stylistically different but with similar results in their failings.
Horvat… Blown coverages, missed nets leading to odd man breaks and taking out Dobson on a hit that Tom Wilson would be proud of.
What is Barzal doing to lead the Isles to the playoffs? As much and as little as many in this organization from the ice through the front office.
ScaredStreit
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Barzal has consistently been our best player all year. He's locked up long-term to a reasonable salary. Trading him would have huge consequences in the lockerroom, in short it's a bad idea.
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Barzal has never been the problem for this team. Amazed that the repetitive negative talk was allowed to persist. But you know....
