Art.Vandelay
@kash2112
it didn't help that the arena was forced to find other events in '04-05 DUE TO THE lockout; Jobing was scheduled to open that year.
Cancelling the all-star game at Jobing.com didn't help much either.
it didn't help that the arena was forced to find other events in '04-05 DUE TO THE lockout; Jobing was scheduled to open that year.
Freeman's group started it's negotiations with Leipold before Boots' involvement. Boots was then recruited before the deal was finalized and the official $193M letter of intent signed.this is not the way I remember it at all. Boots joined the local group after the initial offer was made so Leipold entered into an agreement with the local owners, not Boots.
Yes, I actually believe he would.
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That's ridiculous. Its not like Earl Scudder the recipient of the email, ever denied receiving it in early April. In fact, he admitted in his sworn declaration having the conversation with Bettman in April mentioning Winnipeg.
No he took 40M less to sell the team to someone willing to buy the team right then, someone willing to sign a binding agreement.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only real bid at this point is Balsillie's. Reinsdorf/NHL have not submitted the Reinsdorf bid to the court yet or the required 20 million dollar bid fee. The only option other than JB, if Reinsdorf backs out and there are no other bids, is for the NHL to take over the team and run it/pay for it's losses in Glendale, or contract the team (which will never happen), correct?
It seems likely GB also was playing it as he needed a buyer desperately any buyer at that time Boots was not a logical 1st choice if he needed loans to make it happen and that means no vetting whatsoever was really done of a prospected owner at all other owners and GB should have had alarm bells going off all over he didnt care about what happened to the team all he cared and still does about his money and his expansion babies no matter who loses he wants to win no different than a few other guys we talk about in this forum hes just met one who will play as dirty as he does and i hope it takes him down
Jims offer was to buy the Preds. He did sign a tentative agreement, the NHL demanded a no movement clause and Jim backed out.
Then the "Our Team Nashville" group with Boots Del Biaggio
bought the team. Interesting to note, no such "no movement clause" was included.
It is rumoured that Del Biaggio's long term goal was ownership of a club in Kansas City whether this team be the Predators, another existing team or an expansion franchise.
i know this has some impact but you and i can both hire 10 experts to give us forecats and id be surprised if each was same you me or Gb do not have crystal ball to future net gains or worth of a franchise and i could say some may make a case in the economy today it could actually decrease , that and the Habs with the arena as the Flagship franchise worth 420 does not make S Ont worth 400 it cant we would need the wall street logic that created the mortgage booms we saw decimate N American and other world economies as our guide ,we must work from conseravative terms about the dollar amounts because of that situaion and its not done yet see posts about food banks and thats not just here , theres lots to add and consider
Jims offer was to buy the Preds. He did sign a tentative agreement, the NHL demanded a no movement clause and Jim backed out.
Then the "Our Team Nashville" group with Boots Del Biaggio
bought the team. Interesting to note, no such "no movement clause" was included.
It is rumoured that Del Biaggio's long term goal was ownership of a club in Kansas City whether this team be the Predators, another existing team or an expansion franchise.
Yeah people forget that and blame Bettman, it was JB that wouldn't put a binding offer in on Nashville allowing the local owners to make their own offer. Leipold took what he could get.
Correct. Though, technically, the auction hasn't yet started and the bidders don't know exactly what they're bidding on (i.e. is it a movable asset or not).
Right, depending on if the team is relocatable or not, it will affects who bids and how much the bid is of course.
Question then, If Judge Baum decides that the franchise is not relocatable to Hamilton, as per Balsillie's original bid, does that mean it is not relocatable to any city and must remain in Glendale?
Does that then prohibit Reinsdorf from moving the team in a year or two due to the court order prohibiting the team from moving and would he withdraw his bid if it was not relocatable?
Say the judge awards Reinsdorf the franchise on the premise that he's keeping the team in Glendale and his alleged 130 million dollar bid is the best, based on lease concessions, no damages to Glendale, no relocation fee etc and Reinsdorf pulls a fast one and applies to move it after a few seasons anyways, effectively damaging Glendale anyways. Is the existing non relocatable judgement still in place at that time. What's to stop JB from doing the same thing if it is no longer in effect after the sale?
I don't think the court/NHL can just say to JB, the team just isn't relocatable by you, or to Hamilton. It would not be relocatable by anyone to any city.
Thoughts?
Cancelling the all-star game at Jobing.com didn't help much either.
If the Judge rules that the team cannot move then they only option if the losses continue that the team will need to fold entirely!
The team will need to be able to move!
Understand that this is complete speculation on my part. I am nowhere near a legal expert.
I suspect, given that the NHL will continue to fund the team, that two options may exist: (1) the NHL could push the angle that they have control of the team and pull the team from bankruptcy (this was never forcibly pushed to the point of obtaining a ruling to my knowledge), or (2) the NHL itself could potentially buy the franchise provided they cover the creditors.
Either case would result in the team remaining in Phoenix (at least for a short time). The second option has precedent with MLB and the Expos, but nothing in the leagues Constitution, By-Laws, or Rules actually has any guidelines for going that far (to my knowledge).
Both options also effectively remove the team from bankruptcy and allows the NHL to fully control the next steps with the team.
I don't dispute that could be an option that the GB could be considering but do you think all the other owners will be willing to throw their money into this situation while they are struggling themselves?
Great observation. That might have attracted a lot more potential fans.
As a Canadian I want more teams in the great white north, but I can't help but wonder if Phoenix wouldn't have been more successful if they built the arena in Scottsdale.
By all accounts from Phoenix residents, this seems to be the case.
I'm ignorant to the facts, but didn't Bettman help push the arena deal in Glendale after Scottsdale balked at building a new facility?
If the Judge rules that the team cannot move then they only option if the losses continue that the team will need to fold entirely!
The team will need to be able to move!
Thats not true. Then they will be sold to Reinsdorf or Breslow albeit for alot less than $212.5.
How much would they have to purchase the team for to satisfy the Judge?
Right, depending on if the team is relocatable or not, it will affects who bids and how much the bid is of course.
Question then, If Judge Baum decides that the franchise is not relocatable to Hamilton, as per Balsillie's original bid, does that mean it is not relocatable to any city and must remain in Glendale?
Does that then prohibit Reinsdorf from moving the team in a year or two due to the court order prohibiting the team from moving and would he withdraw his bid if it was not relocatable?
Say the judge awards Reinsdorf the franchise on the premise that he's keeping the team in Glendale and his alleged 130 million dollar bid is the best, based on lease concessions, no damages to Glendale, no relocation fee etc and Reinsdorf pulls a fast one and applies to move it after a few seasons anyways, effectively damaging Glendale anyways. Is the existing non relocatable judgement still in place at that time. What's to stop JB from doing the same thing if it is no longer in effect after the sale?
I don't think the court/NHL can just say to JB, the team just isn't relocatable by you, or to Hamilton. It would not be relocatable by anyone to any city.
Thoughts?
One story I read/posted in the last couple of days was an estimate of $120m to satisfy the creditors (for a stationary asset).
Only if Moyes himself is somehow no longer a creditor.