Avs_19
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Oh no. So we wouldn't just be acquiring Polak for this season, we'd be extending him into his 30's as well? I think that makes this whole scenario even worse.
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Oh no. So we wouldn't just be acquiring Polak for this season, we'd be extending him into his 30's as well? I think that makes this whole scenario even worse.
tigervixxxen
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Some good quotes in that article, particularly picks and high end prospects being treated like gold because that's pretty much all you can bank on now.
tigervixxxen
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moving holden?
Roy will move zadorov and bigras before holden.
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*high picks... the article is talking about 1st and 2nd rounders not being thrown around. It remains to be seen what GMs will do in the end, but I can believe that teams don't want to trade their 1st and 2nds with cap uncertainty.
Foppa2118
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But not about mid tier prospects, and they said 3rd rounders will be moved around a lot at the deadline.
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He makes some great points about needing those picks to draft players because teams need good players on ELC.
Whether they become that is on said teams scouting dept. so ..time for guys to do their homework.
But if indeed the prices are going down I still want the Avs to look into it. A 4th and a decent body like Gorms isnt so bad is it?
tigervixxxen
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But not about mid tier prospects, and they said 3rd rounders will be moved around a lot at the deadline.
And that will be for teams actually trying to win something
Foppa2118
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Moving Holden?
Roy will move Zadorov and Bigras before Holden.
I believe something similar was said about scratching Tanguay, and in a different way about bringing in an undersized defenseman.
But not about mid tier prospects, and they said 3rd rounders will be moved around a lot at the deadline.
I wonder if the lottery change has a impact on that? I'm surprised they didn't touch on that IMO. If a team is on the bubble like us, NSH, MIN.. Making the playoffs or not is the potential for a pick anywhere between what? #14-#1? lol
I could still see lottery protected 1st round picks moved. The implications they mention in the article were arguably just as present last season IMO. The wild card is the change in the draft.
tigervixxxen
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Scratching a guy and trading a guy are much different situations. The Avs have absolutely shown no desire to move Holden nor do they have any incentive to. Getting a pick doesn't seen to be much of a concern to them. They love him, he's cheap and eat minutes. Why on earth would they trade him?
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Not at all... probably one of the better ways to go about the deadline actually. Then recoup the pick from a Berra trade this summer.
Not really. Lots of deadline deals are done by teams on the fringe.
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I'm not sure about that. Outside of a the few top teams in the league, I'm not sure they classify themselves in that way. I think most teams think if they can just get into the playoffs, a lot of things can happen. Maybe they won't win the cup per se, but maybe they can get to the finals, or the conference finals with a great run. Just like Minny a few years ago. They weren't really all that different than the Avs rebuild/experience wise or standings wise.
Ture, but my point was the general idea that Roy has his favorites, and won't ever go against that.
The only reason they'd trade him is to open up room on the left side for Zadorov and Bigras, and to change the makeup of the D. They could move him or one of the other guys to the right side, but they might feel more comfortable with them staying on the left, and a more proven defensive presence on the right. It would allow them to improve on Holden in some way. Also to a lesser extent, gain an asset they lost. Just like how they regained their 2nd from the Sharks.
In order to capitalize on his value being temporarily high. We all should be smart enough to see that Holden has his moments, but he will not sustain near top four play all season long. Maybe Roy and Sakic are smart enough to see that too?
Holden is more valuable traded than as a #7 when hes inevitably beat out by both Bigras and Zadorov.
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Lets just be optimistic here for a sec and say we get into a wildcard spot and have to play LA in the first round. LeBrun did mention they were all in on Buff and since thats done they are probably looking at Polak.
Would be nice to screw em over a bit, even if we dont make it.
Plus I cant imagine they wouldnt do this trade w/o knowing they can extend Polak for another year or two.
Would be nice to screw em over a bit, even if we dont make it.
Plus I cant imagine they wouldnt do this trade w/o knowing they can extend Polak for another year or two.
tigervixxxen
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You know they don't see it that way and he's also not going to be a #7 on this team.
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They probably see that, but they probably see a lot of value with Holden on the team. Even if Holden gets passed up, he can still not hurt the team cap wise and when injuries hit, move up the line up. Not many teams have a defensemen not on an ELC that can play anywhere from the 4-6 spots for long stretches and costs only 1.65m against the cap.
So eventually hes going to be the bottom pairing right side defender, either that or both Zadorov and Bigras will not be on the left side until FB retires.
Hmm, not sure which side of the argument is more realistic IMO.
Oh... Or you believe there is a realistic chance FB goes from top pairing left side to bottom pairing right side. I guess that's possible as well.
TheStranger
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I highly doubt that the next step from Byfuglien is Roman Polak. Not even remotely similar players.
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Well I wasnt saying that, LeBrun is the one who mentioned the two parties. But I think his point was since they guy the were prepared to go all in on is gone they may have to settle for a 3rd pairing guy for their run.
tigervixxxen
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I don't quite know how they are going to construct this D group going forward but I think it's more realistic to assume someone is going to remain in the role they've been in the entire season vs. someone else doing it. They probably do intend on keeping Holden on the bottom pair but that depends on how Beauch holds up, how both the kids develop and other things like Barrie's contract, EJ staying healthy. Plus that's bottom pair and not straight off the lineup. I just have a hard time seeing through their eyes 6 guys on the roster that are better AND they trust more than the guy who they trust more than EJ to handle critical defensive situations right now. If that happens and our D is that great then wonderful but I don't foresee that in the next 2 years anyway. Hell, I can see Holden with EJ when/if Beauch breaks down until they are ready to put Zadorov or Bigras up there.
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cgf
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I'd be very pleased with him, Klein or Polak. Paired with a Rintintin call up that would set us up nicely for the stretch run, even without a trade for another top-9er that let us relegate both of the retirment-home-duo to the 4th line/pressbox.
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If he's still here next year, I'd expect Iggy to start the season off on the third line with some combination of Grigorenko/Rantanen/Mitchell/Comeau, to see if he can bounceback. But after he proves that he's just done, I expect him to lose that spot to Compher and spend the rest of the year in his current role as a 4th liner and PP-specialist.
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