Avs 2016 Offseason Signing/Fantasy Thread
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cgf
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Because they don't exist? He was an exceptional player in his NHL time, despite not playing in this league during his prime.
You may not be defending the league's pride, but that's where the myth comes from.
Yeah, you'd think that they'd be thrilled to bring him back after throwing him under the bus the last time he played for them!
hockeyfish
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Hired the wrong DJ again
I'd have to agree to disagree on all of that - he topped out at 58 points in a season where truly exceptional players were still scoring 90-100, so as an offensive player, he was a lot closer to "good" than "exceptional".
I wasn't even aware he explicitly chose the KHL over the NHL, so no, that's not where the myth comes from in this case.
It's just funny to me that the only GM who wouldn't hire the guy is, you know, the only one he's actually played for.
cgf
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Look at his ice time and linemates, then look at his pts/60 and where he stacked up there. Then remember that those stats came from before he hit his prime.
Whether that's where you heard it from or not doesn't matter, that's where this myth originated.
As for your last point, he played for Roy...nevermind that it's tough for any GM to bring back someone he scapegoated, without losing face; so of course Poile wouldn't want to bring him back. It would make him look like a complete idiot for throwing Radulov under the bus initially.
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Life is about relationships... that one is very sour. It would be like calling up your ex who cheated on you about getting back together... it just doesn't work.
Would love Rads, but dont see that happening.
Greg at 1.5M for 2 years is fair IMO. Could prove to be a bargin for those 2 years if he builds off his 2nd half of this year.
No way does Matthias deserve 2.5M or 2.4 or whatever. That's what Comeau earned as a free agent last summer.
Max I'd give Matthias is 2.0M, anymore and he can walk. 1.75M would be ideal.
Not even sure if I want Skille back in all honesty. He was great the firs half of the year, but he's gotten away from a lot of the simple things lately and has become more of a liability.
I think we have players in the system(Martinsen, Everberg) that could play that role just as well if not better next season.
Greg at 1.5M for 2 years is fair IMO. Could prove to be a bargin for those 2 years if he builds off his 2nd half of this year.
No way does Matthias deserve 2.5M or 2.4 or whatever. That's what Comeau earned as a free agent last summer.
Max I'd give Matthias is 2.0M, anymore and he can walk. 1.75M would be ideal.
Not even sure if I want Skille back in all honesty. He was great the firs half of the year, but he's gotten away from a lot of the simple things lately and has become more of a liability.
I think we have players in the system(Martinsen, Everberg) that could play that role just as well if not better next season.
Bone Breaker
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my dream (realistic) off-season:
UFAs -
let walk > Bonarchuk, Guenin, Noreau, Redmond, Street and Winchester
re-sign > Boedker (5M), Bordeleau (650), Matthias (2.5M), Skille (1M)
RFAs -
let walk > Beaupre, Cheek, Meurs, Will
re-sign for SA > Agozzino, Beck, Everberg, Gormley, Hishon, Martinsen, Rendulic, Siemens, Aitokallio
re-sign for COL > Barrie (5.5M), Grigorenko (1.3M), Mackinnon (6M), Pickard (1.5M)
sing one or two veteran AHLers for SA if need be. sign a lot of kids to ELC. Mitchell cap casualty, traded for picks. if someone is dumb enough to have interest in Berra, can trade him too. (otherwise AHL for him)
Landeskog - Mackinnon - Boedker
Nantel - Duchene - Rantanen
Matthias - Soderberg - Comeau
Mcleod - Grigorenko - Iginla
(skille)
Bigras - Johnson
Beachemin - Barrie
Zadorov - Gelinas
(holden)
Varlamov
Pickard
Stanley Cup, here we come.
UFAs -
let walk > Bonarchuk, Guenin, Noreau, Redmond, Street and Winchester
re-sign > Boedker (5M), Bordeleau (650), Matthias (2.5M), Skille (1M)
RFAs -
let walk > Beaupre, Cheek, Meurs, Will
re-sign for SA > Agozzino, Beck, Everberg, Gormley, Hishon, Martinsen, Rendulic, Siemens, Aitokallio
re-sign for COL > Barrie (5.5M), Grigorenko (1.3M), Mackinnon (6M), Pickard (1.5M)
sing one or two veteran AHLers for SA if need be. sign a lot of kids to ELC. Mitchell cap casualty, traded for picks. if someone is dumb enough to have interest in Berra, can trade him too. (otherwise AHL for him)
Landeskog - Mackinnon - Boedker
Nantel - Duchene - Rantanen
Matthias - Soderberg - Comeau
Mcleod - Grigorenko - Iginla
(skille)
Bigras - Johnson
Beachemin - Barrie
Zadorov - Gelinas
(holden)
Varlamov
Pickard
Stanley Cup, here we come.
If we can just get Hamonic without giving up any major pieces and sign our current free agents (Or Radulov) to good deals I will be one happy man.
Grigo - Duchene - Rantanen
Lando - MacK - Radulov/Boedker
Matthias - Yeti - Comeau
McLeod - Mitchell - Iggy
Skille
(Call ups- Compher, Everberg, Martinsen, Beck?)
Bigras - EJ
Beauch - Barrie
Zadorov - Hamonic
(Call ups- Siemens, ???)
Grigo - Duchene - Rantanen
Lando - MacK - Radulov/Boedker
Matthias - Yeti - Comeau
McLeod - Mitchell - Iggy
Skille
(Call ups- Compher, Everberg, Martinsen, Beck?)
Bigras - EJ
Beauch - Barrie
Zadorov - Hamonic
(Call ups- Siemens, ???)
cgf
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cgf
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Fine, I'll be less snarky.
How the hell do you intend to acquire Hamonic without giving anyone away; and what are you planning on blackmailing the commish with to get him to let us ignore the cap?
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Uuuhhhhh, I don't know. I mean if we are not trading a major piece how could we possibly do it? 1 for 1 trades are all that ever happen. Guess I'm just asking the impossible. And I sure as hell shouldn't do it in the "fantasy thread". Oh me oh my. I'm so embarrassed.
Maybe try a calculator for your so called cap problem.
Maybe try a calculator for your so called cap problem.
cgf
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Since this is Fantasy and all I hope the Avs make the playoffs and decide some consistency is key for the major roster FWDs. the Avs use next season as more of a continuation to develop this playoff squad while giving time to the young Dmen.
I'd love to say Iginla waives, but even as a 4th line PP specialist I don't see him moving. Definitely could use that $5.3m elsewhere
1) Avs work a 1+8 with MacK. 1yr bridge at $5m with the framework for the large 8yr deal on Jan 1st, 2017
2) Barrie at 4x$5.5m
3) Boeds at 5x$4.75m
4) Grigs at 2x$1.5m
5) Picks at 2x$1.5m
6) Matthias at 2x$2.00
7) Stuart to LTIR
8) Holden, Mitchell, Berra traded for futures and or Rampage/Depth players
9) Zads in the top 6
10) FWD 12&13 and D 7&8 < $1m contracts from FA/Trade/PTO
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Boedker
Grigorenko - Duchene - Rantanen
Matthias - Soderberg - Comeau
McLeod - #12 FWD - Iginla
#13 FWD
Beauchemin - Barrie
Bigras - Johnson
Zadorov - Gelinas
#7D - #8D
Varlamov
Pickard
puts the Avs at about $70.5m cap hit using LTIR
Fantasy is fun
I'd love to say Iginla waives, but even as a 4th line PP specialist I don't see him moving. Definitely could use that $5.3m elsewhere
1) Avs work a 1+8 with MacK. 1yr bridge at $5m with the framework for the large 8yr deal on Jan 1st, 2017
2) Barrie at 4x$5.5m
3) Boeds at 5x$4.75m
4) Grigs at 2x$1.5m
5) Picks at 2x$1.5m
6) Matthias at 2x$2.00
7) Stuart to LTIR
8) Holden, Mitchell, Berra traded for futures and or Rampage/Depth players
9) Zads in the top 6
10) FWD 12&13 and D 7&8 < $1m contracts from FA/Trade/PTO
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Boedker
Grigorenko - Duchene - Rantanen
Matthias - Soderberg - Comeau
McLeod - #12 FWD - Iginla
#13 FWD
Beauchemin - Barrie
Bigras - Johnson
Zadorov - Gelinas
#7D - #8D
Varlamov
Pickard
puts the Avs at about $70.5m cap hit using LTIR
Fantasy is fun
honestly we could see a bigger bunp in cap space than is seen abouve...
So..
longer term structured increasing deal with MAcK
a Longer term deal with Barrie for less than 5.5
Sign some one either Bodner or another ufa top six.. one at 4 or 5.2 at 6
Mathias is not worth 4 but maybe he is worth 3.0 for 3 ?
I think we need to think about bringing in a defensive player and pay the price... even if it means trading barrie
So..
longer term structured increasing deal with MAcK
a Longer term deal with Barrie for less than 5.5
Sign some one either Bodner or another ufa top six.. one at 4 or 5.2 at 6
Mathias is not worth 4 but maybe he is worth 3.0 for 3 ?
I think we need to think about bringing in a defensive player and pay the price... even if it means trading barrie
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A good thing for the cap is the Loonie is staring to rise again. It is up to almost 76 cents on the dollar. Pretty much where it was through the first part of the season. It isn't crazy to think that it could be around 77 or 78 this summer. Depending on when teams leveraged against the Loonie, the Canadian teams might have missed the worst of the Loonie's struggles.
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cgf
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I do really like what both Boedker and Matthias have added. Boedker's speed with MacK has been great, and I think he could also compliment a Duchy line. Matthias has added energy and more size to the bottom 6.
That said, I do agree with both of the previous posts, though. Both are depth players and with the cap situation, I'd say if they're re-signed, Boedker at $4.75M & Matthias at $1.75M would be about the most we could justify.
That said, I do agree with both of the previous posts, though. Both are depth players and with the cap situation, I'd say if they're re-signed, Boedker at $4.75M & Matthias at $1.75M would be about the most we could justify.
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With the cap the way it is currently and Iggy on the roster, I'd say Boedker and Matthias' caps shouldn't be higher than 4.75 and 1.75 as well. If the Avs can jettison Iggy... Then there can be some more flexibility on those numbers. Big if.
cgf
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Boedker is just 26 years old, I would give him 5 years if it means his salary is down. Perhaps it's stupid, but he's looked good and 5 years would give some value to him as a trading asset if that ever became the case.
E: Thanks CGF, totally missed that.
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