Auston Matthews Scoring Pace

[nobody]

So Matthews should get 14 mil per season then, sweet it is settled.

Seeing as how he's a better player than McDavid and McDavid got 12.5, Matthews will probably ask for atleast that much. Hopefully he realises that taking less money will give the team more flexibility. Also, Toronto isn't Edmonton (it's 1000000x better living) so that probably will save Leafs a few dollars.

 

[Future GOAT]

Good. I wouldn't play him in G or on D but I'm glad that you see what I'm saying. McDavid will get there one day too maybe (I wouldn't hold my breath).

Why do you guys keep bringing up McDavid?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

So Matthews should get 14 mil per season then, sweet it is settled.

to be completely honest, if he got paid the same as McDavid I would be completely fine with it

 

[Boud]

Seeing as how he's a better player than McDavid and McDavid got 12.5, Matthews will probably ask for atleast that much. Hopefully he realises that taking less money will give the team more flexibility. Also, Toronto isn't Edmonton (it's 1000000x better living) so that probably will save Leafs a few dollars.

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McDavid: 140GP 51G 113A 164PTS --- PPG 1.17

Matthews: 90GP 50G 38A 88PTS --- PPG 0.98

 

[nobody]

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McDavid: 140GP 51G 113A 164PTS --- PPG 1.17

Matthews: 90GP 50G 38A 88PTS --- PPG 0.98

So by your logic, since points are the end all be all of contracts and player value, why did both Kane and Toews sign the exact same contract at the exact same time?

 

[Boud]

So by your logic, since points are the end all be all of contracts and player value, why did both Kane and Toews sign the exact same contract at the exact same time?

Easy.

Toews is a C.

Kane is a Winger.

Both Mcdavid and Matthews are C.

 

[BlueBaron]

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McDavid: 140GP 51G 113A 164PTS --- PPG 1.17

Matthews: 90GP 50G 38A 88PTS --- PPG 0.98

That almost looks like cherry picking. Let's compare them this year, no need to use McDavid's extra year to make him look better and Matthews worse. Give you a hint, McDavid is scoring at .02 points per game more than Matthews.

I wonder why you would not just compare this years stats to show McDavid is so vastly superior? Sample size is too small of course. I know, I know only McDavid can be good before he played a game and only he can be projected to improve.

Of course people who watch the games can see that this year Matthews is playing at a comparable level. McDavid still has another gear so I would expect the gap to increase a bit. It sure would be fun though if he outscored McDavid, I wonder how many Oiler fans would start bashing McDavid or flee HF entirely?

 

[nobody]

Easy.

Toews is a C.

Kane is a Winger.

Both Mcdavid and Matthews are C.

Okay..

Then why is Stamkos getting paid 8.5 million while Toews is getting paid 10.5?

 

[sparxx87]

Why do you guys keep bringing up McDavid?

....well, Future GOAT, McJesus 97... can you think of any reason why people may be suspicious of your motives? .......in an Auston Matthews thread, after an already 85+ page McDavid vs Matthews pissing match that you were so unfortunately memorable in?

.....any idea? .... no?

 

[Boud]

That almost looks like cherry picking. Let's compare them this year, no need to use McDavid's extra year to make him look better and Matthews worse. Give you a hint, McDavid is scoring at .02 points per game more than Matthews.

I wonder why you would not just compare this years stats to show McDavid is so vastly superior? Sample size is too small of course. I know, I know only McDavid can be good before he played a game and only he can be projected to improve.

Of course people who watch the games can see that this year Matthews is playing at a comparable level. McDavid still has another gear so I would expect the gap to increase a bit. It sure would be fun though if he outscored McDavid, I wonder how many Oiler fans would start bashing McDavid or flee HF entirely?

Because using a 15 games sample size, 20% on a hockey season is stupid?

Cherry picking is exactly what you're doing. Looking at 10% of the games both these guys played and judging then entirely on that.

BTW I'm not an Oilers fan, neither a Leafs fan so I'm unbiased compared to you.

 

[Boud]

Okay..

Then why is Stamkos getting paid 8.5 million while Toews is getting paid 10.5?

Because Toews has won 3 cups.

Keep them coming.

 

[nobody]

Because Toews has won 3 cups.

Keep them coming.

You're goood.

Why is Toews getting paid more than Crosby, Kopitar, Malkin?

 

[Boud]

You're goood.

Why is Toews getting paid more than Crosby, Kopitar, Malkin?

Timing of contract/ Inflation of the cap. Toews signed after all of them. Kopitar is quite comparable.

Crosby and Malkin would be making more had they signed at the same time.

 

[nobody]

Timing of contract/ Inflation of the cap. Toews signed after all of them. Kopitar is quite comparable.

Crosby and Malkin would be making more had they signed at the same time.

You're right!

How about..

Why did get Crosby a 12 year $104 million dollar deal at a cap hit of $8.7 million a year (12% of his teams cap at the time, 11.5% now ) while McDavid got 8 years $100 million at a cap hit of $12.5 million a year (17% of his teams cap now)?

 

[Boud]

You're right!

How about..

Why did get Crosby a 12 year $104 million dollar deal at a cap hit of $8.7 million a year (12% of his teams cap) while McDavid got 8 years $100 million at a cap hit of $12.5 million a year (17% of his teams cap)?

That's an interesting one.

Did you compare Crosby's % of cap hit based on the cap hit when the contract was signed or based on today's cap?

Because the cap changed quite a bit.

 

[nobody]

That's an interesting one.

Did you compare Crosby's % of cap hit based on the cap hit when the contract was signed or based on today's cap?

Because the cap changed quite a bit.

The cap has increased by $3 million since the day Crosby signed his contract.

 

[snipes]

Seeing as how he's a better player than McDavid and McDavid got 12.5, Matthews will probably ask for atleast that much. Hopefully he realises that taking less money will give the team more flexibility. Also, Toronto isn't Edmonton (it's 1000000x better living) so that probably will save Leafs a few dollars.

You continually repeating this nonsense doesn't make it true.

 

[nobody]

You continually repeating this nonsense doesn't make it true.

You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[BlueBaron]

Because using a 15 games sample size, 20% on a hockey season is stupid?

Cherry picking is exactly what you're doing. Looking at 10% of the games both these guys played and judging then entirely on that.

BTW I'm not an Oilers fan, neither a Leafs fan so I'm unbiased compared to you.

LOL cherry picking is not saying "this sample size is too small" it's the opposite...

The reality is all your larger sample size does is weigh down Matthews improvement against his rookie season and prop up McDavid's slump. If you are going to compare them, body of work is not the way to go, it's not an accurate illustration and it screams agenda. All it tell us is McDavid has had a longer career.

This is the problem, you have to actually watch them play and wait until this season plays out before measuring the gap between them. McDavid should still end up ahead offensively but the goals scored against might tell a different story.

 

[Panthaz89]

That almost looks like cherry picking. Let's compare them this year, no need to use McDavid's extra year to make him look better and Matthews worse. Give you a hint, McDavid is scoring at .02 points per game more than Matthews.

I wonder why you would not just compare this years stats to show McDavid is so vastly superior? Sample size is too small of course. I know, I know only McDavid can be good before he played a game and only he can be projected to improve.

Of course people who watch the games can see that this year Matthews is playing at a comparable level. McDavid still has another gear so I would expect the gap to increase a bit. It sure would be fun though if he outscored McDavid, I wonder how many Oiler fans would start bashing McDavid or flee HF entirely?

Its actually .2 which is roughly 20% more points.........

 

[SniperHF]

Seems like we need a break here given how it's somehow become about Leafs vs Oilers.

We can have a new Matthews thread later.