I bet Columbus man would have loved when we had Ned Flanders doing pbp.
That was brutal, but not as bad as Dave Shea.
I bet Columbus man would have loved when we had Ned Flanders doing pbp.
I love Jack. I hope he is doing well.
I envision him sitting at hope every day, then at 7 going into his office. Putting on a sports coat and tie, and doing play by play on some old game available on youtube, and still complaining about the calls, and dropping hate all over opponents he doesn't like
NESN needs to clear out the graphics and improve the picture quality in general.
I like Jack & Brick. Not a fan of the intermission guys but then I'm not much on talking plus I know what happened in the previous period, I have two eyes and a brain that work fairly well. Maybe if they discussed something else I'd listen. Need to get rid of the in between period "interviews" with the coaches too, they just say the same damn thing over and over again.
I'd love it if one network did an entire game without PBP or commentary, just the sounds of the game. I bet it would rock.
Many of you complain that the Bruins lost Goucher but the fact is Vegas made him an offer he could not refuse.
Jack had already signed an extension with NESN and Goucher was content with radio but then VGK came calling mainly because Eric Tosi who had worked with the Bruins convinced the Vegas owner that Goucher was the best option to sell hockey to the locals.
Judd Sirott will be a year to year thing as when/if Pat Foley retires in Chicago, Sirott would be the prime candidate to replace him.
@crimsonace - The Sports Museum has recently found the KMOX St Louis call of the Bobby Orr goal. Since Blues play by play announcer Dan Kelly was doing the game for CBS - KMOX assigned the sports anchor of KMOX-TV who had relocated to St. Louis from Boston after losing his job at WHDH when the Bruins radio contract went to WBZ - His name was Bob Wilson.
You don’t think Judd would stick around here for this gig? How much better is the Chicago gig at this point, if at all?
This is my complaint about most intermission reports in general. The exception is if you watch a national broadcast of say a football game, the intermission report is essentially talking about other games going on and showing highlights. That’s great.
Having people that think they’re smarter and more observant than you “break down” what happened in the previous round of play that you just watched has a negative entertainment value.
NFL or college football intermission shows are - as you noted - national and breaking down as many as a dozen games going on at the same time (NFL halftimes are also only 12 minutes AND are going out to every game going on at that time nationally, so there's not much time to do much). Hockey is unique in that there are two intermissions, both are 18 minutes long, and there's only so many out-of-town highlights and featurettes you can show in those 36 minutes.
This is my complaint about most intermission reports in general. The exception is if you watch a national broadcast of say a football game, the intermission report is essentially talking about other games going on and showing highlights. That’s great.
Having people that think they’re smarter and more observant than you “break down” what happened in the previous round of play that you just watched has a negative entertainment value. I don’t understand what the incentive is to watch it. Dale and Barry are just bland when they’re not attempting terrible dad jokes. And Billy is just annoying for the most part.
So it's impossible to know for sure...
But if the NESN job were to open up in the future, would Goucher come back?
I know he's been in New England forever...but now that he's established out there...maybe he'd stay put?
NESN should absolutely pursue him when Jack hangs 'em up.
That’s an interesting point of view. The trend in most sports broadcasting around the world in recent years has been towards having more ‘experts’ involved in commentating on and analyzing games, both during the play and in the intermissions. As far as I can tell the prevailing belief in TV-land seems to be that viewers want the game and particular plays explained to them with the help of new technologies and value the opinions of designated experts, most of whom are ex-players/coaches, and that this makes for good, attractive TV which ‘sells’. This belief is in line IMO with a wider societal trend in which people identified as experts in their field have become deified as founts of incontrovertible truth who must be listened to for our own good and may not be questioned by the mere populace.
But in the sporting realm at least I think it does have to be asked how much of such alleged expert commentary is really necessary and wanted by the viewers? Personally I like informed opinion and review if it genuinely adds something to what I'm watching and provides insight that I might otherwise not have had. But if it's too frequent, purely exists to make use of some gimmick tech or is simply stating the obvious then I find it grating. I think on the whole there's definitely a place for review and analysis in sports broadcasting, but in recent years I feel we're starting to get too much, and often it's detracting from the viewing experience rather than adding to it.
That’s right.
Im surprised it is worth it to have an intermission show at all during these local broadcasts. Does that really keep people tuned in? Seems it would be worth it just to air ads for 17 minutes.
As a matter of fact, this is what the NBC Sunday broadcasts seem to do. I swear the actual “intermission show” is like 2 minutes long.
Which got me thinking of hypothetical alternatives. Two halves surely isn't viable for hockey because it's way too high intensity and physical and the players would be utterly exhausted mid-way through the second. You could go more basketball style and have four 15 min quarters, which just 5 min breaks at the end of the 1st and 3rd where the players stay on the bench and a longer 20-25 min break at the half. But I don't think the ice would last 30 mins, so the question is could the ice be resurfaced fast enough in the short breaks to make them viable?
This is my complaint about most intermission reports in general. The exception is if you watch a national broadcast of say a football game, the intermission report is essentially talking about other games going on and showing highlights. That’s great.
Having people that think they’re smarter and more observant than you “break down” what happened in the previous round of play that you just watched has a negative entertainment value. I don’t understand what the incentive is to watch it. Dale and Barry are just bland when they’re not attempting terrible dad jokes. And Billy is just annoying for the most part.
I think there cameras blow, there is a stark difference in quality when NBC/NBC Sports does a game in the visual sense.
I could take or leave Jack and Brick, but would take them any day over Eddie O.
Funny thing about Jack, and everyone calling him a homer is that IMO he’s not even the biggest homer broadcaster in this town. Zolak is easily the worst, and Tommy isn’t the far behind.
I would pay extra to hear a game without commentary too btw
The 2020 NHL broadcast rankings: The best and worst markets...
4. St. Louis Blues
The broadcast: Fox Sports Midwest carries Blues games, with John Kelly on play-by-play and Darren Pang doing colour.
3. Vegas Golden Knights
The broadcast: AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain carries Golden Knights games, with Dave Goucher on play-by-play and Shane Hnidy doing colour.
2. Dallas Stars
The broadcast: Fox Sports Southwest carries Stars games, with Josh Bogorad on play-by-play and Daryl Reaugh doing colour.
1. Carolina Hurricanes
The broadcast: Fox Sports Carolinas carries Hurricanes games, with John Forslund on play-by-play and Tripp Tracy doing colour.
I gotta say, the survey definitely got the top 4 right......All 4 of these broadcasts are excellent.
For me, John Forslund is the best Play by Play man in hockey, and Daryl Reaugh is the best color man......
As an out of market viewer, I love Jack, and miss him when I can't get the NESN feed.
The replays of the 2011 Habs series reminded me how different and less acrimonious the game is today. Dad and I watched Ice Guardians and that was discussed even 4-5 years ago when it was filmed.
There are passionless, dud games today, especially with few rivalries and lots of back-to-backs. Jack is clearly trying to up the entertainment factor. Oftentimes it seems forced, but I don't fault him for trying.
I also find in the modern age, any sort of brash personality is going to ruffle feathers, especially among the young. I'm not defending their actions, but I did not think the punishment fit the crimes with either Don Cherry or Jeremy Roenick. But a vocal sect of fans despised them, and they gave them enough rope to hang them.
But as a viewer, I have watched much less of the new milquetoast presentations of both HNIC and NBC.
Obviously fans of opposing teams will loathe Jack. But I am glad the Bruins' broadcast still has some personality.
I will still contend that the best NHL commentary team is Gary Thorne and Bill Clement. I don't know what heavens on earth have to be moved, but I demand whoever gets the NHL TV contract next must hire these two to be the broadcast team instead of Doc Emerick.