ATD 2011 Draft Thread IX

[Leafs Forever]

I suppose it's only fitting the Toronto St. Pats select this goaltender. He place 3rd in hart voting twice (both times tops amongst goalies), and earned a first team all-star goaltender berth despite placing the majority of his career pre-all star teams. He won a stanley cup backstopping the Pats in his rookie year. We select goaltender John Ross Roach

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

To be honest I'm not quite sure how both of these Russian gentleman are still on the board, waiting to be taken.

The Millionares select backup G Nikolai Khabibulin and their 1st spare will be C Alexei Yashin.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I suppose it's only fitting the Toronto St. Pats select this goaltender. He place 3rd in hart voting twice (both times tops amongst goalies), and earned a first team all-star goaltender berth despite placing the majority of his career pre-all star teams. He won a stanley cup backstopping the Pats in his rookie year. We select goaltender John Ross Roach

Only goalie to beat out Charlie Gardiner for a first team All Star, though he only did it once. One of the top backups around, IMO. He would have been my choice with the last pick if I didn't need to finish my 4th line.

 

[Leafs Forever]

To be honest I'm not quite sure how both of these Russian gentleman are still on the board, waiting to be taken.

The Millionares select backup G Nikolai Khabibulin and their 1st spare will be C Alexei Yashin.

Well, Yashin at least has character and one-dimensional issues that people naturally don't want on their fourth line, and a number of people wouldn't want as spares. As far as value on an all-time list at least, however, he's a good pick.

Only goalie to beat out Charlie Gardiner for a first team All Star, though he only did it once. One of the top backups around, IMO. He would have been my choice with the last pick if I didn't need to finish my 4th line.

Thanks.

My next pick coming soon.

 

[vecens24]

I made a joke last night to arrbez that it would be fun to draft Yashin to get some reactions and to see how he'd coexist with Pat Burns. However we felt one mercurial European (Nilsson) is good enough for Burns.

I defintiely don't think Yashin is out of place here though.

 

[vancityluongo]

The Millionares select backup G Nikolai Khabibulin

*******.

 

[Velociraptor]

Handzus was a very good pick, I wanted him with my next pick. Well done TDMM.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

*******.

Hey relax Garth Snow is still OTB...

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

To be honest I'm not quite sure how both of these Russian gentleman are still on the board, waiting to be taken.

The Millionares select backup G Nikolai Khabibulin and their 1st spare will be C Alexei Yashin.

LF covered Yashin - he's basically a scoring line or bust player. Guys like that drop farther than their "all time" ranking would have them. I don't know why you're surprised Khabibulin is around - he's ok as a backup I guess, but not a steal by any stretch.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

LF covered Yashin - he's basically a scoring line or bust player. Guys like that drop farther than their "all time" ranking would have them. I don't know why you're surprised Khabibulin is around - he's ok as a backup I guess, but not a steal by any stretch.

You can't tell me guys like Potvin, Hern, Peeters, Kolzig etc. are better options.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

LF covered Yashin - he's basically a scoring line or bust player. Guys like that drop farther than their "all time" ranking would have them. I don't know why you're surprised Khabibulin is around - he's ok as a backup I guess, but not a steal by any stretch.

..And if Yashin gets any playing time on my team it's because Lindros or Morenz went down, and nothing else.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Handzus was a very good pick, I wanted him with my next pick. Well done TDMM.

Thanks guys (you and overpass). I honestly thought I'd have to defend the pick, given he never goes this high, so this is a pleasant surprise.

I had Ron Sutter in the MLD last time and Handzus in the AAA draft, both as my 3rd line centers. And I honestly couldn't tell you which one is better on the ice. Sutter has the leadership thing (he was my captain in the MLD), but that's the biggest difference as far as I can tell.

I needed a fourth line center with size who could penalty kill, so the options were limited.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

You can't tell me guys like Potvin, Hern, Peeters, Kolzig etc. are better options.

Hern and Kolzig are definitely better. Potvin probably isn't. Not sure about Peeters.

 

[Velociraptor]

Thanks guys (you and overpass). I honestly thought I'd have to defend the pick, given he never goes this high, so this is a pleasant surprise.

I had Ron Sutter in the MLD last time and Handzus in the AAA draft, both as my 3rd line centers. And I honestly couldn't tell you which one is better on the ice. Sutter has the leadership thing (he was my captain in the MLD), but that's the biggest difference as far as I can tell.

I needed a fourth line center with size who could penalty kill, so the options were limited.

Handzus is just massive, any guy of his stature and skillset belongs at around here. The guy isn't even a terrible skater, and just patrols the ice so well. Definitely a guy who could spend time on both special teams (probably just PK from an ATD perspective, but could be a good fill-in on the PP)

 

[Dr Pepper]

Dawson City selects Victor Konovolenko as our backup goalie.

 

[Velociraptor]

Hern and Kolzig are definitely better. Potvin probably isn't. Not sure about Peeters.

I think Peeters is a better goalie than Khabibulin, he had some awfully mediocre seasons in Phoenix/Winnipeg (in his fairness, he had not entered his peak) and he had a pretty good squad in front of him during the Cup run. His highest win total in a season is 32. Wasn't a top-5 in any goaltending category in the regular season prior to the Lightning's championship, or many other years. I had Khabibulin last year, and I thought he was a good pick. But when it comes to the ATD, he's pretty unspectacular, I did take him fairly early last time. Over some more-deserving goaltenders.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Hern and Kolzig are definitely better. Potvin probably isn't. Not sure about Peeters.

Going to have to disagree there can't say Kolzig id definitely better with fewer career wins and the championship count is Bulin 1 Kolzig 0.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Going to have to disagree there can't say Kolzig id definitely better with fewer career wins and the championship count is Bulin 1 Kolzig 0.

Kolzig was at least as good in 1998 as Bulin was in 2004, IMO. And then there's that whole Vezina thing.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

The Pittsburgh Bankers select F Haviland Routh

 

[Leafs Forever]

Going to have to disagree there can't say Kolzig id definitely better with fewer career wins and the championship count is Bulin 1 Kolzig 0.

You're really going to have to do more to show Khabibulin better than using a team award and a fairly meaningless in an ATD statistic of career wins, which is also largely team based.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

You're really going to have to do more to show Khabibulin better than using a team award and a fairly meaningless in an ATD statistic of career wins, which is also largely team based.

Ok there's also the career GAA and Sv% which go in favour of Khabibulin.

 

[VanIslander]

You're really going to have to do more to show Khabibulin better than using a team award and a fairly meaningless in an ATD statistic of career wins, which is also largely team based.

Don't say that to Brodeur fans. Those are their bread-and-butter moves.

 

[seventieslord]

You can't tell me guys like Potvin, Hern, Peeters, Kolzig etc. are better options.

Hern and Kolzig are definitely better. Potvin probably isn't. Not sure about Peeters.

Agree. Also Peeters is better. Vezina and Hart runner-up.

Although...... Potvin has an excellent sv% record, better than Khabibulin's. And he at least has a season where he had somewhat significant Vezina recognition... Khabi doesn't.

Is it just the cup? I'm trying to imagine him without the cup and if I'd like him better than Potvin. hmmmmm......

 

[seventieslord]

The Pittsburgh Bankers select F Haviland Routh

isn't he just a RW?

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Don't say that to Brodeur fans. Those are their bread-and-butter moves.

Brodeur is a four-time Vezina winner and while he Niemi-ed his way to the finals in 2001, he was lights out in the three Cup wins.