Assemble the Greatest Roster of Players Who Played Entire Career with One Team

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  1. ImporterExporter

    ImporterExporter I troll harder than Poppy

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    *Active players don't count unless they have at least 10 years in the league.

    Pretty interesting to see how few greats actually managed to play an entire career on one roster:

    Forwards:

    Syl Apps
    George Armstrong
    Jean Beliveau
    Patrice Bergeron*
    Mike Bossy
    Wayne Cashman
    Bobby Clarke
    Neil Colville
    Bill Cook
    Yvan Cournoyer
    Sidney Crosby*
    Pavel Datsyuk
    Alex Delvecchio
    Woody Dumart
    Patrik Elias
    Bog Gainey
    Rod Gilbert
    Johnny Gotselig
    Bryan Hextall Sr
    Aurele Joliat
    Patrick Kane*
    Ted Kennedy
    Elmer Lach
    Jacques Lemaire
    Jere Lehtinen
    Mario Lemieux
    Evgeni Malkin*
    Nick Metz
    Stan Mikita
    Bill Mosienko
    Alex Ovechkin*
    Marty Pavelich
    Gilbert Perreault
    Claude Provost
    Craig Ramsay
    Henri Richard
    Maurice Richard
    Joe Sakic
    Milt Schmidt
    Henrik Sedin*
    Daniel Sedin*
    Jonathan Toews*
    Steve Yzerman
    Henrik Zetterberg*


    Defensemen:


    Butch Bouchard
    Dit Clapper
    Ebbie Goodfellow
    Bill Hajt
    Ott Heller
    Duncan Keith*
    Jacques Laperriere
    Nick Lidstrom
    Denis Potvin
    JC Tremblay


    Goalies:

    Ken Dryden
    Georges Vezina
    Turk Broda
    Bill Durnan
     
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    VanIslander Don't waste my time

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    So just NHLers then, eh?

    To win games and not just be a lollygagging all-star team in a meaningless all-star game, I'd ice at least one of these lines of Bottom-6 all-time greats:

    Marty Pavelich - Patrice Bergeron - Jere Lehtinen
    Bob Gainey - Pavel Datsyuk - Claude Provost


    Click on underlined to read all-time draft bios on these great defensive wingers.

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    ImporterExporter I troll harder than Poppy

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    Yes. NHL only for this one.
     
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    Well.... Other than Ken Reardon and Charlie Gardiner, none of whom are quite a lock to make it anyways, I didn't spot any obvious miss.
     
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    VI, if we're going a more traditional route, I'd certainly look at a lineup something along the lines of:

    Delvecchio - Lemieux - Bossy
    Joliat - Beliveau - Richard
    Gainey - H. Richard - Provost
    Ramsay - Bergeron - Armstrong

    That lineup provides a steady diet of 2 way play, especially on lines 2 through 4.
     
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    So many centers...

    Here's an attempt; this is not the best possible line-up on paper, just something I'd like to see:

    Clarke(A)-Lemieux-Cook
    Ovechkin-Beliveau(C)-M.Richard
    Bergeron-Crosby-Kennedy
    Gainey-H.Richard-Sakic

    Potvin(A)-Lidstrom
    Keith-Clapper
    Lapperriere-Tremblay

    Dryden
    Vezina
     
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    Henri Richard or Bergeron over Mikita?
     
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    Mikita is traditionally a 1st line player. If I were to make a more all star like roster, he'd surely be in the lineup.
     
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    With Henri Richard, Bobby Clarke, and Ted Kennedy as options, there's really no need for someone like Bergeron.


    Biggest weakness of this team is lack of good power forward left wings. Pretty hard to make a well-balanced team without them.
     
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    Well... If Ovechkin and Toe Blake could actually be one player, he'd be quite a PF.

    (EDIT : ... Meh, Blake was a Moroon.
     
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    Krutov should be a nobrainer.
     
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    The biggest issue with these kinds of lists is what centers could conceivably play wing.
     
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    I am guessing we all agree Mario is #1 here? For all intents and purposes Howe and Orr are more or less exclusively a Red Wing and a Bruin. But technically they don't apply here.
     
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    I think that's a really good point, especially when we've seen international squads do exactly that (bring top forwards, mostly centres, and try to find combos with chemistry that involve a lot of those centres on the wing). I think, for argument's sake, that you'd have to restrict it to guys who have at least put "real" time in on the wing - not just "theory crafted" 100% hypothetically - either domestically or internationally.
     
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    ...and Marc Tardif is eligible
     
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    OP missed ron ellis.
     
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    Missing Ovechkin and Crosby.
     
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    Delvecchio - Lemieux - M. Richard
    Ovechkin - Crosby - Bossy
    Barber - Clarke - Mikita
    D. Sedin - Beliveau - Kane

    Lidstrom - Keith
    Potvin - Clapper
    JC Tremblay - Giordano

    Dryden
    Vezina


    idk.
     
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    I think if we're going international style where C's play on the wings constantly and you go away from the traditional look of an NHL lineup you an put together a pretty formidable lineup.

    Something along these lines:

    Offense:

    Bobby Clarke - Sidney Crosby - Mario Lemieux
    Aurele Joaliat - Jean Beliveau - Maurice Richard
    Milt Schmidt - Stan Mikita - Steve Yzerman
    Bob Gainey - Ted Kennedy - Henri Richard

    -Clark provides stellar physical play and distribution on the top line as well as top flight defense. Lemieux's size, strength and reach play well on the wing much more so than Sid who sticks at C. Mario will be the primary goal scorer.

    -2nd line is more traditional.

    -Milt Schmidt (LH shot) was arguably the best two way C of his day and plenty physical to be on the wing. Mikita is an elite 2 way guy and Yzerman isn't far behind in that regard either. RH shot for right wing. Primary goal scorer.

    -4th line is another high end defensive trio. Gainey is one the all time greats defensively, Ted Kennedy was an elite 2 way C and widely regarded as the best face off man of his time, and Henri Richard was incredible in the corners and very physical so he translates well out onto the wing IMO. Also a RH shot, so it's his "natural" side.

    I actually really like than line up. More than enough offense top to bottom and some seriously talented defensive players in most spots. Put Toe Blake on the bench and let him move the chess pieces around.

    Defense:

    Nicklas Lidstrom - Butch Bouchard
    Denis Potvin - Dit Clapper
    Jacques Laperriere - Duncan Keith

    Goalies:

    Ken Dryden
    Georges Vezina
     
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    So.... this is your idea of an All Time Intl Team Lineup & youve got at the international level the notoriously incompetent Ken Dryden in net backed up by the antique Georges Vezina? Ha?.... Ya, that'll work. For the Russians, Czechs, Swedes & Finns. Right on Buddy. You dont want a Stand-Up like Dryden. You want a guy like Wild Bill Durnan. Dr. Strangeglove in the crease.. and never mind Bobby Clarke & other odd fruits & curiousities, positional conversions all over the place like your running a chop shop.... You do realize thats no "team" right? Collection of disparate parts & pieces. Goaltending beyond suspect, your pick of skaters... well, pretty sure Toe Blake would be demanding he be allowed to swap about 80% of that lineup out completely I/E. Not interested in your hot-rod creations there Jesse James.
     
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    Right, because internationally we've always seen Team Canada play people in their natural positions. :dunno:

    Ken Dryden is the best goalie, all time, who played for one franchise, IMO. He gets the nod. Incompetent? :help:
     
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    In international play he was "incompetent". Read, know your history. Look it up. He always had trouble on the big ice, facing a cycle game beginning with his tenure with the Canadian National Team before he ever played a game in the NHL.... I'm assuming your familiar with Bill Durnan & his astonishing career? Aware of the manner in which he played, style? Far more effective vs the Soviets though of course Durnans career was over years, couple of decades before Dryden came along. Amazes me that in the pantheon of greats, he's a "forgotten man". Dryden, Roy, Hasek.... all purportedly "better" are they?... So my picks would be Durnan & Cheevers if the qualifiers "must have played his entire career with 1 - 06 team".
     
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    I would add Andrei Markov to the list of available defensemen.
     
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    When did this turn into assembling the team for an international match, rather than simply using international play to justify slotting certain centres into winger positions??
     
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    It's evident where that started.

    I don't think it's a ridiculous notion at all to project elite two way players with high IQ (like Henri Richard or Bobby Clarke), on the natural side to play wing.

    I already posted a traditional line up. The last one a few posts ago was to maximize talent up and down the forward unit with an emphasis on two way play.
     

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