Seravalli: Ask for Erik Karlsson is three first-round picks and Sharks will retain 18% of his contract.

[seanlinden]

He didn’t say but he said it wasn’t three firsts

Well... the thread title says the ask is 3 firsts... and that's what's at debate here.

You want to put forth an alternative ask to debate -- I'm game.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Grier literally came out and denied it. It’s in this thread multiple times.

To be fair, just because Grier says so to the media doesn’t make it true. GM’s lie to the media a lot. One is spreading incorrect information and it is a coin flip as to who imo… not that it really matters.

 

[seanlinden]

Burns is 37, Karlsson is 32. I get your point, but they are at different stages of their careers.

Burns was more recent to Norris winner, and hasn't missed a game since 2013.

 

[Number8]

THE ASK ISNT THREE FIRSTS.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT??????

Just read the article. Got it. Jumped the gun, here. Amused by all the Full Caps.

 

[Gecklund]

Well... the thread title says the ask is 3 firsts... and that's what's at debate here.

You want to put forth an alternative ask to debate -- I'm game.

It’s literally posted in this thread. The report came from an Edmonton reporter about SJ’s ask and it’s bad. You can go back and find where it was refuted or a simple google search as well.

To be fair, just because Grier says so to the media doesn’t make it true. GM’s lie to the media a lot. One is spreading incorrect information and it is a coin flip as to who imo… not that it really matters.

Grier has nothing to gain from lying to the media. The media has a ton to gain by lying about the ask. Pretty easy to speculate which one is lying.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT??????

Grier literally said it wasn’t that.

 

[themelkman]

To be fair, just because Grier says so to the media doesn’t make it true. GM’s lie to the media a lot. One is spreading incorrect information and it is a coin flip as to who imo… not that it really matters.

Normally you tell the media a higher price as a negotiating tactic. This just seems like shutting down a fake rumour

 

[seanlinden]

It’s literally posted in this thread. The report came from an Edmonton reporter about SJ’s ask and it’s bad. You can go back and find where it was refuted or a simple google search as well.

Grier has nothing to gain from lying to the media. The media has a ton to gain by lying about the ask. Pretty easy to speculate which one is lying.

Grier literally said it wasn’t that.

I'll ask again... what is the ask you'd like to debate?

 

[Gecklund]

I'll ask again... what is the ask you'd like to debate?

I already said cap at about 7.5M, a prospect or two depending on the prospect, and a first or two with conditions

 

[Avsfan1921]

It’s literally posted in this thread. The report came from an Edmonton reporter about SJ’s ask and it’s bad. You can go back and find where it was refuted or a simple google search as well.

Grier has nothing to gain from lying to the media. The media has a ton to gain by lying about the ask. Pretty easy to speculate which one is lying.

Grier literally said it wasn’t that.

There may be nothing to gain by lying but it doesn’t stop them from doing it. There’s been instances where a gm has said a player is not available just turn around and trade them shortly after. It really isn’t a big deal what they say and everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt imo, not gospel as you are doing. Again, I agree that to the outside it would make no sense for him to say that, but there is precedent for gm’s not being truthful. That’s all I’m saying.

Normally you tell the media a higher price as a negotiating tactic. This just seems like shutting down a fake rumour

The above kinda applies to this too. Theoretically when a gm says a player isn’t available to the media, wouldn’t that negate any reason for other teams to pursue him at that point, thus negating any value? Why would they do that if they do indeed intend on trading said player? Seems to me most front offices just don’t want the media involved in their inner workings to be honest.

It makes sense serevelli would state that karlsson could be traded, It makes for good click bait, I get that. But three firsts for 18% retained seems oddly specific to throw against a wall to hope something sticks. He must have heard it somewhere. Or else he’d just state that they are looking to trade him and leave it at that imo.