OT: Around the NHL

[Gurglesons]

Always thought we should've kept Pearson, he was never a problem imo

Super annoying trade.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Always thought we should've kept Pearson, he was never a problem imo

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I take a perverse pleasure in seeing Reaves be a contributor on a team that's doing well in the playoffs after seeing how Sullivan misused him here and we heard cries of "he's the type of player Cup contenders can't have on the roster".

Maybe if Sullivan didn't expect every single player to play a specific way or he'd be in the dog house, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. Sullivan's rigidity is causing us to get rid of otherwise useful players just because they happen to play a style that's different than Sullivan's "fast, fast, fast tiny winger fast" approach.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Hahahahahaha...

CanSUCKs.

 

[Gurglesons]

I take a perverse pleasure in seeing Reaves be a contributor on a team that's doing well in the playoffs after seeing how Sullivan misused him here and we heard cries of "he's the type of player Cup contenders can't have on the roster".

Maybe if Sullivan didn't expect every single player to play a specific way or he'd be in the dog house, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. Sullivan's rigidity is causing us to get rid of otherwise useful players just because they happen to play a style that's different than Sullivan's "fast, fast, fast tiny winger fast" approach.

Reaves sucks though. You're being blinded by the announcers giving him praise and a young team falling into his BS. That shit never and will never fly in Pittsburgh.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Reaves sucks though. You're being blinded by the announcers giving him praise and a young team falling into his BS. That shit never and will never fly in Pittsburgh.

At times, Reaves is basically doing what ZAR does on the 4th line.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Reaves sucks though. You're being blinded by the announcers giving him praise and a young team falling into his BS. That shit never and will never fly in Pittsburgh.

I mean, I'm watching the Vegas games? He's effective at what he does. I get that with the whole analytics craze, some folks think guys like ZAR do more for a team than Reaves, but I still think there's an element Reaves brings (and no, not fighting) that doesn't show up in the analytics that a guy like ZAR or any number of vanilla 4th liners don't.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

With the complete and total lack of emotion the Pens played with these playoffs, and last year against the Isles, I think there's something to be said about having guys who'll go out there and play with some sort of pulse.

 

[Gurglesons]

I mean, I'm watching the Vegas games? He's effective at what he does. I get that with the whole analytics craze, some folks think guys like ZAR do more for a team than Reaves, but I still think there's an element Reaves brings (and no, not fighting) that doesn't show up in the analytics that a guy like ZAR or any number of vanilla 4th liners don't.

Vegas is outscoring the other team by 5 because of their top three lines. It ain't because Reaves is acting like a dumbass.

 

[K Fleur]

The Pens not playing with a pulse is a valid criticism. Reaves still sucks though.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Vegas is outscoring the other team by 5 because of their top three lines. It ain't because Reaves is acting like a dumbass.

Don't recall saying he was the reason they're winning? I said he's good enough to be a contributor to a team that's doing well and not be this hindrance like people made him out to be where he's directly responsible for a good team being dragged down because of his 8-10 minutes per game.

 

[Gurglesons]

Don't recall saying he was the reason they're winning? I said he's good enough to be a contributor to a team that's doing well and not be this hindrance like people made him out to be.

He was a hindrance for our style of team. Vegas plays a different game.

Reaves ain't carrying the 4th line.

Also to expound on that point. DeBoer is playing Reaves around the same as Sullivan did here.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He was a hindrance for our style of team. Vegas plays a different game.

Reaves ain't carrying the 4th line.

Also to expound on that point. DeBoer is playing Reaves around the same as Sullivan did here.

Maybe the bolded is the problem. Maybe Sullivan should adapt to the times when his "style" isn't resulting in success. Vegas plays just as fast as the Pens, just as tenacious. So it's not like Reaves is on a team full of plodding, Corey Perry/Milan Lucic-esque skaters. So maybe Sullivan should adjust whatever the f*** it is he's trying to get us to play when it stops working two playoffs in a row?

As for playing time, again, never said Reaves should be playing 15 minutes per night. I'm just saying he's showing he's not a hindrance to his team in whatever minutes he gets. I'd certainly have rather had him this year than two of our plugs that dressed regularly in the playoffs.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Man, that Coyle trade really worked out for the B's. He and Krecji have been super effective so far these POs.

 

[Gurglesons]

Maybe the bolded is the problem. Maybe Sullivan should adapt to the times when his "style" isn't resulting in success. Vegas plays just as fast as the Pens, just as tenacious. So it's not like Reaves is on a team full of plodding, Corey Perry/Milan Lucic-esque skaters. So maybe Sullivan should adjust whatever the f*** it is he's trying to get us to play when it stops working two playoffs in a row?

As for playing time, again, never said Reaves should be playing 15 minutes per night. I'm just saying he's showing he's not a hindrance to his team in whatever minutes he gets. I'd certainly have rather had him this year than two of our plugs that dressed regularly in the playoffs.

Tanev and who?

You can't remake a team with Crosby and Malkin. Every year we get people around here wishing for us to play a different style of hockey. Pittsburgh Penguins hockey is offensive stars leading the way. That's the way it has always been. That's the way I hope it will always be. Vegas is a solid team, but they are what is wrong with the game.

Also did anyone ever say Reaves was a hindrance? He's a 4th liner.

Vegas has three of the best two way wingers in the game. Patches, Stone and Smith.

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

Well, Lehner's gonna have to really shit the bed for Fleury to get the net back if he keeps this up.

Which, early days yet, but.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Tanev and who?

You can't remake a team with Crosby and Malkin. Every year we get people around here wishing for us to play a different style of hockey. Pittsburgh Penguins hockey is offensive stars leading the way. That's the way it has always been. That's the way I hope it will always be. Vegas is a solid team, but they are what is wrong with the game.

Our style of play doesn't really resemble the bolded. There's very little "offensive creativity" from this group. Unless Sid or Geno have the puck on their stick, it's a bunch of chip and chase, and take low danger/low percentage shots on net and hope for rebounds.

Also did anyone ever say Reaves was a hindrance? He's a 4th liner.

Yes, that seemed to be the common theme. That with him on the 4th line, we can't roll 4 lines and play "our game", whatever the f*** that is supposed to be at this point.

You can't look at how ZAR or Marleau performed in the playoffs and say that Reaves couldn't have done more than they did or that he would have dragged his lines more than they did.

 

[Gurglesons]

Our style of play doesn't really resemble the bolded. There's very little "offensive creativity" from this group. Unless Sid or Geno have the puck on their stick, it's a bunch of chip and chase, and take low danger/low percentage shots on net and hope for rebounds.



Yes, that seemed to be the common theme. That with him on the 4th line, we can't roll 4 lines and play "our game", whatever the f*** that is supposed to be at this point.

You can't look at how ZAR or Marleau performed in the playoffs and say that Reaves couldn't have done more than they did or that he would have dragged his lines more than they did.

I look at ZAR, Marleau and Reaves as cut from the same cloth tbh.

Your perception of this team and who they actually are is completely opposite. They were terrible about chip and chase and it led to their downfall. If the Penguins played how some people perceive they do we would've broke Montreal's trap by G2.

 

[EightyOne]

Put me in the camp that Reaves could have had a much better stint in PIT

He was miscast. Even if you think he isn't that good. He was miscast.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Lehner with a shutout, so hot right now.

 

[heysmilinstrange]

Lehner with a shutout, so hot right now.

Fleury’s agent is preparing another photo as we speak.

 

[LOGiK]

@Honour Over Glory

quoting from the old thread:

Tocchet makes a great assistant, not a great coach. There have been interviews of Sullivan and Tocchet basically saying as much and even the players, about how Tocchet was great at being the go-between.

Go dig them up. It's not my fault you f***ing wankers don't pay attention and then act all moronically surprised at this shit.

Seriously irked.



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Some people are really good at not being the #1 but advising the #1. Even mob bosses have a consigliere.

Some people can be really good at their job, but still not be qualified to move up. It's not a slight - it's just how things work...

A good defender that has a knack for scoring goals doesnt mean he can be promoted to forward.... I donno... there's a bunch of examples.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Fleury’s agent is preparing another photo as we speak.

People blaming MAF is hilarious.

Allan Walsh has a history of being a f***ing tool and doing it behind his clients backs.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Put me in the camp that Reaves could have had a much better stint in PIT

He was miscast. Even if you think he isn't that good. He was miscast.

All Reaves does in VGK is crash the crease and wreak havoc on the forecheck. He did it well in St.Louis and now in VGK.

But by some miracle, was not used properly in Pittsburgh even though he brought a lot of levity to the dressing room. He definitely was misused and miscast. The same way those morons did Oleksiak too.

 

[Shockmaster]

All Reaves does in VGK is crash the crease and wreak havoc on the forecheck. He did it well in St.Louis and now in VGK.

But by some miracle, was not used properly in Pittsburgh even though he brought a lot of levity to the dressing room. He definitely was misused and miscast. The same way those morons did Oleksiak too.

Well to be fair the Penguins are ardently against crashing the crease these days.