Around the NHL - Episode XLV III - BEAST MODE ANDY

[Big Muddy]

Well, that seems like a given. we apparently offered him a raise, Wally thought it was 4-5 based on a solid source, though Duclair denied he was offered 4.25 x 3.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think he was shopping himself in that range initially though and had to settle for less when the openings around the league filled up. Can't say for sure, but it makes sense that a guy representing himself might misjudge the market and pass on resonable offers only to realize too late that he needs to adjust his ask.

I think the scenario you outlined is quite likely. Some people don't seem to acknowledge the impact that COVID had on league economics and contracts. If your a player representing yourself, and your anticipating & holding out hope that this is going to be a payday contract, your probably going to talk to several teams and that is a process that takes time.

Its kind of like the game of the musical chairs. When the music stops, you scramble and get to a chair as quickly as possible before there are no more chairs left. Ottawa could have had its roster established by the time this occurred, or maybe there was too much pride and/or bad blood (things were said during initial negotiations) to go back to team he had been playing for and that had made him an offer.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Well, that seems like a given. we apparently offered him a raise, Wally thought it was 4-5 based on a solid source, though Duclair denied he was offered 4.25 x 3.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think he was shopping himself in that range initially though and had to settle for less when the openings around the league filled up. Can't say for sure, but it makes sense that a guy representing himself might misjudge the market and pass on resonable offers only to realize too late that he needs to adjust his ask.

But for us we could have just taken him to arbitration. Then it's just a one year deal. Who cares? Then you can flip him at the deadline, when his cap hit is reduced, if he's "not in the long term plans" as some have said. To just not like his salary ask and throw up your hands and walk away is the bizarre part.

Also, if he was never in the long term plans why wasn't he dealt at last year's deadline? And why was he apparently offered a multi-year contract?

 

[Micklebot]

But for us we could have just taken him to arbitration. Then it's just a one year deal. Who cares? Then you can flip him at the deadline, when his cap hit is reduced, if he's "not in the long term plans" as some have said. To just not like his salary ask and throw up your hands and walk away is the bizarre part.

Also, if he was never in the long term plans why wasn't he dealt at last year's deadline? And why was he apparently offered a multi-year contract?

I think we wanted to keep him, but we're worried about the potential arbitration award. A 1 year deal can't be walked away from if it's under 4.7 or somewhere around there. There was still a lot of uncertainty about the economics going forward when that decision needed to be made, maybe we could only do a backloaded deal with term like we did with Dadonov.

I thought we should have qualified him but it's possible Dorion was hoping we could sign him for less than the arbitration comparables suggested he'd get, and he balked.

 

[NyQuil]

Edmonton fans have gone off the deep end when it comes to losing to the Canadiens.

 

[cudi]

Edmonton fans have gone off the deep end when it comes to losing to the Canadiens.

I love me a good conspiracy theory! The more tinfoil the better.

 

[NyQuil]

I love me a good conspiracy theory! The more tinfoil the better.

Apparently we're also supposed to be outraged because Edmonton gets the correct number of powerplays when they play us, because we're a small market.

I'm like:

 

[JungleBeat]

Vrana with a hat trick tonight. Yzerman is working his magic.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Vrana with a hat trick tonight. Yzerman is working his magic.

He must promise to go to other GMs' children's birthday parties or something. Sakic too

 

[GCK]

Edmonton fans have gone off the deep end when it comes to losing to the Canadiens.

If they are complaining about the constant interference from the Habs that went uncalled then they have a point.

 

[NyQuil]

If they are complaining about the constant interference from the Habs that went uncalled then they have a point.

It’s one thing to have a badly reffed game.

It’s another to assert that it’s part of a campaign on the part of the league and major media to ensure that the Habs and their large market make the playoffs.

 

[GCK]

It’s one thing to have a badly reffed game.

It’s another to assert that it’s part of a campaign on the part of the league and major media to ensure that the Habs and their large market make the playoffs.

I see. I only saw your comment and not Oiler fans comments.

 

[NyQuil]

I see. I only saw your comment and not Oiler fans comments.

Well, there’s a thread on the main board that is certainly entertaining.

 

[GCK]

Well, there’s a thread on the main board that is certainly entertaining.

I avoid going there

 

[NyQuil]

I avoid going there

I can understand that.

 

[Xspyrit]

Vrana with a hat trick tonight. Yzerman is working his magic.

I had no idea why the Caps had to pay that much on top of Vrana to get Mantha... I mean, Vrana is an excellent player

It could have been just the 2nd round pick (so no 1st) and I would have been "fair trade"

It’s one thing to have a badly reffed game.

It’s another to assert that it’s part of a campaign on the part of the league and major media to ensure that the Habs and their large market make the playoffs.

That conspiracy could be easily debunked by the fact that the Habs had missed the playoffs 3 times out of 4 seasons and were going to miss them for a 4th time in 5 years before Covid gave them an unexpected opportunity (but at the same time, missed on the chance to get Lafreniere lol)

 

[Deku]

Detroit is currently getting outshot 30-3, but are winning 1-0
30 shots in 25 minutes of gameplay is pretty impressive for Dallas too

 

[cudi]

Local boy Freddie back on the ice!

 

[GCK]

Montreal is not a very good team. Weren’t people calling them the best team in the North earlier this year. Bergevin has made them slow.

 

[foggyvisor]

Montreal is not a very good team. Weren’t people calling them the best team in the North earlier this year. Bergevin has made them slow.

Where Have All the Turtlenecks Gone: The Rise and Fall of the Montreal Canadiens.

 

[Ice-Tray]

As an interesting aside, “appeal to authority” is a heavily contested logical fallacy.

Many support the idea that appealing to authority has merit and doesn’t weaken the argument, while others feel that appealing to authority does.

It does make sense on the one hand, because what the hell is the point of pretending to have professionals in any field if their opinions don’t carry weight. But how much weight?

It’s an interesting one that get thrown out here often as though it was clear cut, and universally accepted in academia, when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

 

[Six Assets]

Local boy Freddie back on the ice!

first time hearing of him...a 5'7 goalie who had a good nhl career wow

 

[cudi]

first time hearing of him...a 5'7 goalie who had a good nhl career wow

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

first time hearing of him...a 5'7 goalie who had a good nhl career wow

Back int he day the averaged sized guys could make it as a netminder. Golden years of the butterfly style.

He was a good one, too.

 

[Silencio]

With all the #1 picks they've had, Edmonton fans do not get to talk about the NHL "conspiring" against them. Not now, not ever.

 

[Tuna99]

So weird seeing EK is #7 in team scoring in SJ and Balcers is #8. A stat that shows how far EK’s game has fallen more then any other. Ryan Donato (career high 23 points last year) is ahead of EK in team scoring. SJ is 1-8-1 in their last 10 games. What a pity that elite hockey brain doesn’t have the legs to do it.