Around the NHL #15 - Ovie is Not a Choker Thread

[CamPopplestone]

But when you have a talent like that at his age, right in his prime, they aren't going to sign short term. That's the reality.

 

[Lunatik]

But when you have a talent like that at his age, right in his prime, they aren't going to sign short term. That's the reality.

Still doesn't make it a good contract.

 

[CamPopplestone]

Doesn't make it a terrible one either.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I’d rather have Kane at 7 x 7 than Lucic at 6 x 7. Kane is a very good skater and in tremendous physical condition, so that likely won’t change over his contract length. He’s also capable of scoring at scoring goals all by himself.

The worry is if he falls off the edge and starts to become a problem in SJ. It’s more than I thought he would get, but good for the Sharks.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

After more thought, I still think it's a risky deal, but not literal laughing out loud as I initially thought. If he's a 50 point guy, it's more or less in line with the Lucic/Okposo style deals, just adjusted for the cap going up. The risk if he goes back to sub 40 points or sub 20 goals, this deal becomes a massive problem. But 25-30 goal guys get paid these days.

 

[Anglesmith]

After more thought, I still think it's a risky deal, but not literal laughing out loud as I initially thought. If he's a 50 point guy, it's more or less in line with the Lucic/Okposo style deals, just adjusted for the cap going up. The risk if he goes back to sub 40 points or sub 20 goals, this deal becomes a massive problem. But 25-30 goal guys get paid these days.

Exactly. It's in line with two deals that are looking laughably poor at present.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Mark Hunter resigned from the Leafs. If Tree fails again to get this team decent depth, I would hire him in the offseason as our GM.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Mark Hunter resigned from the Leafs. If Tree fails again to get this team decent depth, I would hire him in the offseason as our GM.

I would be doing my best to convince him to come be our AGM until a GM job opens up. Even if it isn't the Calgary job.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Exactly. It's in line with two deals that are looking laughably poor at present.

Truth.

I mean, lately it seems like nearly every major UFA signing is a bad idea. Last two or three off seasons have been horrific. Few ones that have worked out like Marleau and Shattenkirk to an extent, but lots of duds.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

The difference with Kane being though, the Sharks have intell that he IS a good fit there, so it's much less risky. Yes things can change from season to season, but he was their best player down the stretch and they like what he brings.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I have a philosophy:

1) Go big with established stars
2) Go small with cheap, unestablished potential stars and contributors
3) Never go "middle" (Frolik / Stone / Brouwer / Hamonic) regardless of fit - that's where you truly get burned even when they DO live up to their contracts.

From that philosophy, I can see Kane being a good signing for the Sharks as he's an established star. But as I've argued before I didn't see him helping us the same way because he didn't fill any actual hole on our roster the way a guy like Mark Stone, Tyler Toffoli or Blake Wheeler could. For the Sharks, who have Pavelski, and fewer truly high-end offensive left hand shots (Couture being the only especially notable one after the injury to Thornton) it's a different story.

 

[Anglesmith]

I have a philosophy:

1) Go big with established stars
2) Go small with cheap, unestablished potential stars and contributors
3) Never go "middle" (Frolik / Stone / Brouwer / Hamonic) regardless of fit - that's where you truly get burned even when they DO live up to their contracts.

From that philosophy, I can see Kane being a good signing for the Sharks as he's an established star. But as I've argued before I didn't see him helping us the same way because he didn't fill any actual hole on our roster the way a guy like Mark Stone, Tyler Toffoli or Blake Wheeler could. For the Sharks, who have Pavelski, and fewer truly high-end offensive left hand shots (Couture being the only especially notable one after the injury to Thornton) it's a different story.

In what way is Evander Kane an established star? His point output has been pretty on-par with Michael Frolik's going back a number of years, seeing as you're making that comparison. He's been a very hot-and-cold player throughout his career. Shows flashes of talent and long stretches of apathy. He's cashing in now on great stretch run in a contract year. That is very suspect, to me.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

From that philosophy, I can see Kane being a good signing for the Sharks as he's an established star.

Star? What? He's broken 50 points twice. He's a good goal scorer who shoots a lot and is known to have really bad cold spells. And since it's a consistent knock on Tanev, I'm going to point it out here as well that he consistently misses a dozen or more games usually per season.

 

[CraigsList]

Kane for 7 years is already risky. I think the Sharks extended him long-term in order to cope with the loss of their 1st rounder.

 

[Lunatik]

In what way is Evander Kane an established star? His point output has been pretty on-par with Michael Frolik's going back a number of years, seeing as you're making that comparison. He's been a very hot-and-cold player throughout his career. Shows flashes of talent and long stretches of apathy. He's cashing in now on great stretch run in a contract year. That is very suspect, to me.

#OKGlogic

 

[InfinityIggy]

In what way is Evander Kane an established star? His point output has been pretty on-par with Michael Frolik's going back a number of years, seeing as you're making that comparison. He's been a very hot-and-cold player throughout his career. Shows flashes of talent and long stretches of apathy. He's cashing in now on great stretch run in a contract year. That is very suspect, to me.

I mean we talk about him all the time, and he does have a money phone...

 

[Mr Snrub]

I have little doubt that Kane contract will be pretty bad in a few years. He's a 5x5 player

 

[Mobiandi]

Kane for 7 years is already risky. I think the Sharks extended him long-term in order to cope with the loss of their 1st rounder.

It turned into a 1st rounder after he signed. If they let him walk, it would've just been a 2nd

 

[CraigsList]

It turned into a 1st rounder after he signed. If they let him walk, it would've just been a 2nd

That's what I mean. If you're going to sign him, sign him long term.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I mean we talk about him all the time, and he does have a money phone...

We have 2 wingers better than Kane. A guy that can score goals, skate like the wind and play the body, is worth a lot in today’s NHL.

 

[Mobiandi]

It's all but official that GG has joined the Oilers. If the Oilers play terribly and MacLellan gets fired, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that Gulutzan will be their next head coach

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I did like Gully. Now he’s dead to me.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I’ll enjoy quoting the Oilers posts about Gully back to them.

That Gulutzan/Eakins gif has never seemed more hilarious.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Washington v Vegas for the final

Finally no Chicago, LA, or Pittsburgh

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

It's not the $7 million that makes this contract bad, it's the 7 years. We know that the Sharks will be regretting this within 36 months. Kane will be in the headlines again for (allegedly) doing something to another woman, or he'll get into it with another teammate. Hell, probably both.

This is how I see it too. I think he's got the skills to be a $7M player, but that 7 years is gonna be a boat anchor. He put up decent enough number on crappy Thrashers/Jets/Sabres teams, but he was never motivated enough to give a consistent effort. Now that he's on a decent team and chemistry with some of the players, he'll probably give a damn now.

That said, he's still an asshole and I don't like him one bit.