Around the League 2019 offseason

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Best defensive player in the league for like 10 years and won three cups.

Granted, a weak class, and maybe folks around here only remember him just before he retired on the stars, but the guy WAS a force. Difficult player to face.

I dont mind player with elite defensive skills being elected to HHOF. It is not all about scoring.

Carbonneau is a solid choice. Rod Langway is in HHOF for his defensive skills. He was a never a point producer.

 

[The 29th Pick]

As noted playing on those stories MTL teams adds a significant weight to the candidate’s resume. I’d be curious who the voters are and how old they are. I recall Carbonneau and would not have thought him a hall of famer but what do I know.

Guy Carbonneau was in the Stories too? man he really is a HOF !!! sorry M3S I couldnt resist !!

 

[NJDevs26]

While I'm all for rewarding two-way play, that isn't what this is. Where exactly do you draw the line if you're going to put in a forward pretty much solely for intangibles and defensive contributions? When you can't make an argument for a forward that doesn't include one of those two things that guy shouldn't be in the HOF. Is John Madden going to get serious arguments for the HOF now?

 

[JrFischer54]

i said it before hall of fame should not be a yearly thing. only the best of the best should be in the hall

 

[My3Sons]

Guy Carbonneau was in the Stories too? man he really is a HOF !!! sorry M3S I couldnt resist !!

Ugh. That should have been storied.

 

[Patrik26]

why and how is Guy Carbonneau a Hall of Famer? A career 0.5 ppg player and never hit 30 goals or 60 points....

On par with Harold Baines being inducted into the baseball HOF.

 

[JrFischer54]

I didn't see anyone comment on the william karlsson contract what people thought of it

 

[billingtons ghost]

While I'm all for rewarding two-way play, that isn't what this is. Where exactly do you draw the line if you're going to put in a forward pretty much solely for intangibles and defensive contributions? When you can't make an argument for a forward that doesn't include one of those two things that guy shouldn't be in the HOF. Is John Madden going to get serious arguments for the HOF now?

No, because however much I love John Madden (who might be in my top 5 players of alltime) - Guy C was 10x the player he was.

The necessity to quantify everything by points or some statisitic really hurts the basic premise of a Hall of Fame. The point is to put in the greatest players.

Don't you guys have people at your office who maybe don't produce the best numbers on paper but do just about frigging everything for the company? Are we going to say, 'yeah, well - the economy only grew so much during Lincoln's tenure - he wasn't that great'.

I understand as time goes on, that fewer people are going to have seen guys play in their prime - so the luster of a Barry Sanders or Larry Bird or Jack Morris fades over time and folks will just point at numbers and say 'they weren't that great'. But for anyone who saw them play - it's easy to value them far above their contemporaries with much better numbers.

I think of Guy Charbonneau as the anti-Gretzky from his work in the late 80s. That's a pretty big poison for which to be the antidote.

 

[Bleedred]

While I'm all for rewarding two-way play, that isn't what this is. Where exactly do you draw the line if you're going to put in a forward pretty much solely for intangibles and defensive contributions? When you can't make an argument for a forward that doesn't include one of those two things that guy shouldn't be in the HOF. Is John Madden going to get serious arguments for the HOF now?

Carbonneau is almost like putting Bobby Holik in the HOF.

Holik had a better PPG (I think) and in a more lower scoring era. Holik won two cups. Holik never had a Selke though.

 

[Classic Devil]

Luongo is retiring, and it’s going to mean that Vancouver and Florida become the first two teams to get hit with cap recapture penalties.

 

[MartyOwns]

Lounge is retiring, and it’s going to mean that Vancouver and Florida become the first two teams to get hit with cap recapture penalties.

good, i hate the lounge

 

[Classic Devil]

good, i hate the lounge

Heh, damn autocorrect.

 

[Brodeur]

My draft year would have been 2000. Not too many active guys [who are older than me] left for me in the entire league.

96: Chara, Cullen
97: Thornton, Marleau, ̶L̶u̶o̶n̶g̶o̶
00: Hainsey, ̶O̶r̶p̶i̶k̶, Williams (I'm a couple weeks older)

 

[MartyOwns]

Heh, damn autocorrect.

that is crazy though. good for him for not faking some allergy to hair gel and just straight up retiring. i look forward to the eventual day he’s in the studio booth, and i salute the f***ing-over of vancouver on the way out the door

 

[JrFischer54]

good, i hate the lounge

it might hurt florida since they are trying to compete but the canucks suck and it wont effect them since they are bad and rebuilding

 

[Jack Be Quick]

I didn't see anyone comment on the william karlsson contract what people thought of it

It's fantastic for them and hopefully good for the league.

Skinner and Hayes got absurd deals. Hopefully this helps to bring some sanity back to the market.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Luongo is retiring, and it’s going to mean that Vancouver and Florida become the first two teams to get hit with cap recapture penalties.

Why would he leave that money on the table?

 

[MartyOwns]

it might hurt florida since they are trying to compete but the canucks suck and it wont effect them since they are bad and rebuilding

it’s going to cost them $3M+ for 3 years, no? and who on the canucks is due a new contract in that time frame? literally everyone currently under contract today. they need to give raises and they need to improve the roster, this will absolutely hinder them

 

[Nubmer6]

it might hurt florida since they are trying to compete but the canucks suck and it wont effect them since they are bad and rebuilding

It seems that Fla encouraged him to retire. They'd rather take the cap hit than pay actual money. I wasn'guess his contract wasn't insured?

 

[Bleedred]

Luongo is retiring, and it’s going to mean that Vancouver and Florida become the first two teams to get hit with cap recapture penalties.

Technically, I think we’re the first team to get hit with one, thanks to he who shall not be named, but that’s a drop in the bucket in comparison.

I guess he wasn’t hurt enough to go the LTIR route.

 

[Bleedred]

Why would he leave that money on the table?

It’s not that much in actual dollars. And I don’t think his salary was to drop something ridiculous after next year, due to the frontloaded contract.

A salary not worth collecting at 40-something years old. And he’s been getting injured almost every year for the last 4 or so.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

$3.6mil in Florida dollars is still a lot of money to a hockey player. And if he's getting injured just go the ltir route.

If we were talking about a QB or a good starting power forward you'd have a point.

It just pisses me off in regards to the Kovy penalties all over again. But I suppose we all knew this was coming.

 

[Triumph]

Given what he wrote in his open letter it seems like Luongo is too injured to play but he wanted to help the team out - a lot of guys wouldn't pass on that $, even if they had never intended to collect it.

 

[jkrdevil]

Given what he wrote in his open letter it seems like Luongo is too injured to play but he wanted to help the team out - a lot of guys wouldn't pass on that $, even if they had never intended to collect it.

I’m sure some of it may be made up over time in terms of a front office / off ice role.

 

[Goptor]

I'm shocked he is retiring with years remaining on his contract. The only players I can think of doing that are Kovalchuk and Rafalski. Has anyone else done that?