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Did I miss something? I've never heard or seen anything saying that Smith is asking for $3.5M next year. In fact I haven't heard anything with regards to what Smith wants to be paid next year.
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I swear somebody mentioned earlier in the thread about smith and willing to resign him at around 3-3.5 million. Maybe I’m going insane.
Anyway, it has nothing to do with his ask, but that paying him that kind of money isn’t happening with our cap situation. If we had no other option, it would be closer to Ryan Miller’s AAV (and maybe less) in order for it to be feasible.
I can’t imagine Smith being back, you can only go to the well so many times. If it does happen, then I agree it would have to be around $2 million. Maybe $2.75 for Rittich and $2.25 for Smith, but that’s it.
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If Smith wants to return and Treliving wants him back the Flames should sign everyone else they need to sign first and then sign Smith for what ever is left but leave about a $1M cap cushion.... but don't go over $2.5M even if there's room... and for 1 yr only.
Resigning a 38 year old goalie, coming off a bad year, seems like a pretty poor path forward, regardless of the caphit. I think it would have to be a last resort kinda deal.
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That would be platoon money.
I'm not saying it'll happen. But I think it's worth wondering about.
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I agree completely except for the 38 year old part. He just turned 37.
But that's really beside the point.. 37 or 38... not much difference.
It would definitely have to be (hopefully) a last resort type of deal.
I'm so disappointed in Gillies's progress in the AHL. I thought for sure a couple of years ago that he'd be playing for the Flames by now or next year at the latest. Frankly I think he's a bust.
Also Parson's rookie year has been a disappointment, particularly since he played so well for the Flames in the preseason.
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I would rather go with a younger guy with potential like Nilsson or Pickard, someone like that.
He’ll be 38 in the first year of a contract. So hard to tell with goalies. Look at Brossoit, doing well this year. For all we know Mason McDonald might turn out to be the goalie of the future, he’s only 22
Yeah, I can't see Smith being brought back unless literally every other option fails to pan out. He'd be like back up plan #20.
If Rittich does well enough (well enough being defined as average or better), they'll bring him back along with another tandem goalie. Anyone from say Kinkaid to I dunno, Neuvirth. Maybe even Varlamov if he was willing to sign cheap enough.
On the other hand, if Rittich struggles badly, then they'd likely look more at an established starter, like Bobrovsky or Varlamov on a long term franchise crushing deal. Or swing for the fences through trade but that's hard and unlikely. Established starters just aren't traded very often. It's always up and coming back ups or tandem goalies.
If Rittich does well enough (well enough being defined as average or better), they'll bring him back along with another tandem goalie. Anyone from say Kinkaid to I dunno, Neuvirth. Maybe even Varlamov if he was willing to sign cheap enough.
On the other hand, if Rittich struggles badly, then they'd likely look more at an established starter, like Bobrovsky or Varlamov on a long term franchise crushing deal. Or swing for the fences through trade but that's hard and unlikely. Established starters just aren't traded very often. It's always up and coming back ups or tandem goalies.
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Funny that the bolded should come up, but I watched the Heat game last night. In no way do I really think either guy is ready to play, but that team is an absolute tire fire defensively. Like, so many breakdowns.
Now, this was the first game I’ve seen this year, but if that’s how the team plays in front of Gillies and Parsons regularly, it’s really no surprise the numbers look the way they do.
Gillies actually did play quite well.
The problem is numbers matter. We shouldn’t risk our entire season on gillies doing better in the nhl. And it’s not like he looked great last year, just a technical mess who has enough size to look barely passable. Fact is, he’s played himself out of any chance on flame roster with his numbers, regardless of how bad the defense is.
Parsons is young and will (hopefully) learn, but I’m not hopeful either. He’s gonna take a long time with his style of play. We got lucky with Rittich imo... really lucky.
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Well the regular season is almost finished and Brodie is still a Flame, Stone is still a Flame, and we have a new Flame in Fantenberg.
Do you think that Brodie will get traded this summer? I do.
The question is... if Brodie gets traded who replaces him on Gio's right side? I think Andersson will.
Now if that happens, who replaces RD Andersson?
The Flames have the following players who are experienced in playing RD:
Stone
Prout
Fantenberg
Will it be one of the above or will it be someone new?
Do you think that Brodie will get traded this summer? I do.
The question is... if Brodie gets traded who replaces him on Gio's right side? I think Andersson will.
Now if that happens, who replaces RD Andersson?
The Flames have the following players who are experienced in playing RD:
Stone
Prout
Fantenberg
Will it be one of the above or will it be someone new?
Is Valimaki a LD or RD? Why wouldn't they just bring him up and put him with Kylington?
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Still think there's a better chance of a Stone trade/buyout than Brodie going anywhere. Mainly because I don't understand the logic in intentionally making the team weaker in the midst of a cup window.
Brodie's a huge part of Giordano's offensive resurgence this year and I don't see that being replicated with Andersson. If anything, that pairing would be Giordano-Hamilton 2.0 with Giordano forced into being the defensive conscience again given Andersson's average-below average skating ability, inexperience and so on.
Brodie's a huge part of Giordano's offensive resurgence this year and I don't see that being replicated with Andersson. If anything, that pairing would be Giordano-Hamilton 2.0 with Giordano forced into being the defensive conscience again given Andersson's average-below average skating ability, inexperience and so on.
It’s not really that simple. The odds on Gio ever repeating this season are probably, slim to none, to begin with. Counting on him to repeat, would be a mistake, IMO. Adding another 50 point forward would help with the lose of production. Andersson should be able to come close to Brodie’s numbers, next year paired with Gio. If we add a cheap, physical, defensive specialist to the RD, our improved defensive game should more than make up the rest of the differential. I think it would spread the offence and also make us harder to play against.
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I'm pretty sure that either Brodie or Stone will be gone come October 2019.
I just think it will be Brodie because Brodie's trade value in MUCH higher than Stone's and he also costs more and we do have to sign Tkachuk, Bennett, Mangiapane, Hathaway, and Rittich this summer.
I've also been happy with the Gio-Andersson play so far this season. This year Andersson has been better than Kylington and Valimaki and he's getting better with each game. I have no issues whatsoever at having Andersson learn at the feet of the master next year. You couldn't ask for a better teacher and defense partner for a 23 year old.
I just think it will be Brodie because Brodie's trade value in MUCH higher than Stone's and he also costs more and we do have to sign Tkachuk, Bennett, Mangiapane, Hathaway, and Rittich this summer.
I've also been happy with the Gio-Andersson play so far this season. This year Andersson has been better than Kylington and Valimaki and he's getting better with each game. I have no issues whatsoever at having Andersson learn at the feet of the master next year. You couldn't ask for a better teacher and defense partner for a 23 year old.
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We acquired Fantenburg because management/coaching clearly wasn't comfortable with running with Kylington or Valimaki in the post-season. If we're making the effort to shore up our third pairing with an experienced Dman, you better believe that plan A won't be running with Rasmus Andersson on the top pairing in 2019-20.
There's also the issue that Andersson is averaging 15-16 minutes of ice time a night whereas Brodie is up to 21-22. I would agree that Gio-Andersson has looked good when called upon but giving Rasmus those extra minutes and expecting to him be as good or better than Brodie is a tall order.
I just don't see what the majority of fans are seeing when it comes to trading Brodie. It's as if repeating it over and over has made it a certainty but hardly anyone's thought about what comes next after moving him
There's also the issue that Andersson is averaging 15-16 minutes of ice time a night whereas Brodie is up to 21-22. I would agree that Gio-Andersson has looked good when called upon but giving Rasmus those extra minutes and expecting to him be as good or better than Brodie is a tall order.
I just don't see what the majority of fans are seeing when it comes to trading Brodie. It's as if repeating it over and over has made it a certainty but hardly anyone's thought about what comes next after moving him
Never said anything about a repeat because yeah, another 70+ point season is naturally unlikely. But 50 points? Not at all unrealistic.
In the four seasons Giordano and Brodie have been paired together, Giordano's put up 47 (in 64 games), 48 (in 61 games), 56, and 72 points.
In the two seasons he was paired with Hamilton, Giordano managed just 39 and 38 points.
Why? Gulutzan's insipid coaching certainly played a role. But the reason, the main reason, was the undeniable chemistry between him and Brodie. They've said as much publicly. Giordano knows he can go for a skate, join the rush and all that because Brodie and his skating will help them get of trouble. Not all the time, but for the most part. But when Giordano is paired with someone who isn't as reliable, someone he doesn't trust as much, he in turn is forced to become the defensive conscience and his point totals crater.
The Flames could definitely use another impact forward. Pretty much every team does. But again, in the middle of a cup window, I'd rather move pieces like Stone, Frolik, Jankowski and the 2019 first for that. Not a top pairing defenceman with a solid cap hit.
In the off season I really hope management looks at what they can get for Sean Monahan.
Listening to the panel and Rich Sutter saying that Sean Monahan is more likely injured has me thinking, that he might not the center to take us to the promised land.
If you package Sean Monahan, than I think you can get a very nice package.
Listening to the panel and Rich Sutter saying that Sean Monahan is more likely injured has me thinking, that he might not the center to take us to the promised land.
If you package Sean Monahan, than I think you can get a very nice package.
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You don't trade Monahan for a package. You trade him as part of a package for a better player. Monahan + Jankowski for Barkov for instance.
Yeah that what I mean, trade him in a package. If you can get Monahan and Jankowski for Barkov, you do that in less than a millisecond.
With the Panthers, Sabres and the Blue Jackets(hopefully, praying to the gods) all missing the playoffs, these teams can be ripe for picking because they might be under pressure and desperate. Offer them Monahan, TJ Brodie and the First round pick and see what you get. It all depends on how the Flames do in the Playoffs But I believe we need a center better than Monahan in that position and another good goalie. But of course it depends what happens in the playoffs.
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