Confirmed Trade: [ARI/PIT] Phil Kessel, Dane Birks, and 2021 4th for Pierre-Olivier Joseph and Alex Galchenyuk

[Freedom]

Typical hfboards

The 5 year younger player will always win even if he is garbage.

Yeah, right... You should told this to Pens fans when they trade Kapanen for Kessel 4 years ago.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Hmm seems like Pit really did want Galchenyuk from the Habs.

I think he could do some damage for Pit I wonder where he’s going to play and if he’ll get a look with Crosby on the power play

 

[orby]

Hmm seems like Pit really did want Galchenyuk from the Habs.

I think he could do some damage for Pit I wonder where he’s going to play and if he’ll get a look with Crosby on the power play

I'd bet money they put him on a line with Malkin.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

We have to wait and see. Fair trade for now.

The Penguins get younger and who knows how these two players pan out.

Arizona gets the better player but who knows for how long.

Of course HFboards must turn this into a who is the winner topic again.

 

[TheTopPerron]

This will help both teams, but I believe it's a net-win for Pittsburgh. Kessel was brutul last year defensively and 5 on 5. He's basically a PP specialist at this point, and he can easily be replaced on the PP by Guentzel. If the Pens can somehow dump JJ I think they're back to being a top contender.

 

[SniperHF]

Galchenyuk has a lot of the same warts as Kessel while not being nearly as impactful. I can't see that boding well for his relationship with Sullivan.

This I agree with, but that's why the sweetener of Joseph was important I think. They get Galchenyuk on a tryout effectively. Plus they may have similar flaws on ice, but perhaps some of the other stuff like pushing to get on specific lines and what not of Kessel won't be as much an issue with Galchenyuk. If the relationship was broken, then the start of a new one that will eventually go down hill still could be pretty good for a year or two first. Given Phil's NTC situation, the Pens did the best they could value wise.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

This I agree with, but that's why the sweetener of Joseph was important I think. They get Galchenyuk on a tryout effectively. Plus they may have similar flaws on ice, but perhaps some of the other stuff like pushing to get on specific lines and what not of Kessel won't be as much an issue with Galchenyuk. If the relationship was broken, then the start of a new one that will eventually go down hill still could be pretty good for a year or two first. Given Phil's NTC situation, the Pens did the best they could value wise.

I actually like Galchenyuk. He can do really well in the right situation. I just find it odd that the deal didn't involve a player more in step with Sullivan.

 

[Voight]

Inb4 Ga;chenyuk struggles and they deal him for a 2nd in January.

 

[Space umpire]

Phil we be fine with all the big unit dogs he'll be eating.

big unit hot dog - Google Search:

Would have been funny about 15 pages ago.

 

[SniperHF]

I actually like Galchenyuk. He can do really well in the right situation. I just find it odd that the deal didn't involve a player more in step with Sullivan.

For the talk of Galchenyuk's numbers going down in AZ, we're only talking about .05 per game or so it ain't much. Most AZ fans were pretty happy with him once he got into a groove.

But I do think it's time to let the ship sail on his whole hidden potential thing, It just doesn't seem to be there. For however many issues Kessel has at ES, Galchenyuk's are worse IMO. It's certainly not out of the question, if Yanni Gourde can break out at 26 Galchenyuk can have a career year at 25. But I wouldn't bet heavily on it.

 

[TheTopPerron]

Exactly even without "penguinz pp bs" he still easily puts up 65-70 points. He'll be their main guy. Chayka doing good work down south.

It's not BS. The guy would go 20+ games without scoring even-strength goals... he did it multiple times. He is AMAZING at 3 0n 3 in OT and on the PP, but other than that he's a defensive liability.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Kessel's definitely going to be a 65+ point player with Arizona, I expect 25 goals and 70 points for him is a reasonable expectation. I think he's going to be more of a playmaker than a goal scorer for the Coyotes, I think the biggest impact will be Keller getting back to rookie year scoring levels.

With the Penguins, I expect Galchenyuk to be around a 30-30 player, maybe a little bit better. I think he at least gets back to 2015-2016 levels at ES (about 20 goals and 40 points at ES), I'd be expecting a little bit better personally. I don't think there will be a huge decline in ES production by going from Kessel to Galchenyuk, because the talent advantage Kessel has is probably negated out by Galchenyuk (likely) fitting a lot better with Malkin. But we'll see though, I think both of these teams are happy with these deals.

 

[Sam Spade]

People don't understand that this is a perfect deal for both teams and players. Kessel is a mega introvert, he gets to play in small hockey market top minutes and live peacefully in the area with nice weather. Penguins get Galchenyuk who fits their system perfectly.

Every time the Penguins get a forward I read this exact same quote.

Maybe he will excel or maybe he will be like all the other forwards who were gonna go nuts playing with Crosby and Malkin and not. Seems to me like the best forwards the Pens recently acquired that actually played well were Hagelin, Bonino and Kessel.

Time will tell of course, but I'm glad Kessel is gone from the Metro. Also if Sullivan and Kessel didn't get along......

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Phil is going to be a great leader in ARI.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

What about Roenick or Tkachuk?

Forgot about Tkachuk.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I actually like Galchenyuk. He can do really well in the right situation. I just find it odd that the deal didn't involve a player more in step with Sullivan.

Beggars can't be choosers. Kessel had a stifling NTC that severely limited where he could be traded to. So it's not like the Pens had a choice between Galchenyuk and Chris Kreider or something and opted for Galchenyuk. Essentially, it probably came down to Arizona and now it was a matter of asking for the best player they were willing to give up, regardless of whether he was a Sullivan-type or not.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

Every time the Penguins get a forward I read this exact same quote.

That is why I said it, it was major sarcasm

 

[Space umpire]

It's really just about the hot dog market- much bigger hot dog culture in AZ. More 7-11s, more street vendors, more days of the year where hot dogs are in season. It's just a smart business move from Phil's camp.

Did some further digging- Arizona's hot dog consumption is 4th highest at 279 hot dogs per person per year. Minnesota only manages 197 per year, the 16th LOWEST state in terms of consumption. And it's not just the overall numbers- having spent time in both states I can tell you that HDA (hot dog accessibility) is much higher in AZ. I think what you'll find is that AZ has more vendors selling more basic product at lower quantities and costs, whereas in MIN your sales will often be concentrated indoors and in larger venues. Often this goes along with more deluxe options- chili, cheese, all sorts of new age radical concoctions. And while I'm sure this pleases certain palates, it also means higher prices, aka less HDPD (hot dog per dollar). Factor in that Phil is known to prefer more basic franks in the first place, and it really seems like the OHDCS (overall hot dog city score) was a deciding factor in where Phil ended up.

source: Hot Dog and Hamburger Consumption by State | 24/7 Tempo | Page 5Hot Dog and Hamburger Consumption by State | 24/7 Tempo | Page 5

Lucky for me I stopped reading about 12 words in.
I hate when schools are out and kids have so much free time.
That you actually searched for this says something.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Shipped off for early retirement. Phil the Swill

 

[ChaosAgent]

Every time the Penguins get a forward I read this exact same quote.

Maybe he will excel or maybe he will be like all the other forwards who were gonna go nuts playing with Crosby and Malkin and not. Seems to me like the best forwards the Pens recently acquired that actually played well were Hagelin, Bonino and Kessel.

Time will tell of course, but I'm glad Kessel is gone from the Metro. Also if Sullivan and Kessel didn't get along......

There's some truth in this. I don't think Malkin needs another triggerman like James Neal or Petr Sykora nearly as much as he needs a spacemaking 200-foot dynamo with B-B+ skill like peak Hagelin or peak Kunitz. Sounds like Gally is much more the former than the latter, to which I sigh and then consider that he can actually be traded to 30 other NHL franchises.

 

[BeatenLikeRentedMule]

He scored 82 points. More than half of his points came at even strength. I get a lot of Pens fans are tired of him but let’s rein in the hyperbole.

Most of Phil's points were in the 1st half of the season. He was pretty bad towards the end and his slick wrist shot isn't what it used to be.

 

[mercury]

Every major sports team, year round golf at world renowned courses, beautiful weather with high air quality, good nightlife and casino options. Im sure Phils gonna hate it.

The weather four months out of the year is disgusting (I live on the Westside of Los Angeles, and I would never consider living in the San Fernando Valley let alone the Valley of the Sun), and the nightlife is barely existent. I have been in Downtown Phoenix in November, right by Chase Field. Not a damn thing going on, and almost no one out walking the street. And the areas with bars either are for 50-year-old former-bros looking to cheat on their wives (Scottsdale), or college-age/recently graduated kids with the same Top 40 or country playing all the time (Tempe). Philadelphia has the exact same number of people and is a million times more fun and interesting. And much nicer buildings, too. Most man-made edifices in Phoenix are hideous.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Lucky for me I stopped reading about 12 words in.
I hate when schools are out and kids have so much free time.
That you actually searched for this says something.

Um, what? I work in the hot dog industry, this is job related research I'm doing. It's also a major factor is Phil accepting a trade to AZ. If you don't see it as a factor, fine, but don't patronize me just because I have professional hot dog knowledge that you lack.

 

[rt]

The weather four months out of the year is disgusting (I live on the Westside of Los Angeles, and I would never consider living in the San Fernando Valley let alone the Valley of the Sun), and the nightlife is barely existent. I have been in Downtown Phoenix in November, right by Chase Field. Not a damn thing going on, and almost no one out walking the street. And the areas with bars either are for 50-year-old former-bros looking to cheat on their wives (Scottsdale), or college-age/recently graduated kids with the same Top 40 or country playing all the time (Tempe). Philadelphia has the exact same number of people and is a million times more fun and interesting. And much nicer buildings, too. Most man-made edifices in Phoenix are hideous.

I was born and raised in Phoenix. I still live in Phoenix. It’s a resort town. I don’t love resort towns. I’d prefer not to live in a resort town. I’m sure that, like you, I’d prefer Philadelphia (though I’ve never been there). I also don’t like the heat. I’m not big on Phoenix.

A lot of people seem to love it. People move to Phoenix in droves. Pro athletes seem to love it too. So many seem like to retire in Phoenix. Make their lives in Phoenix after the age of 35 or 40 (which is a funny retirement age). So I guess there’s something to it.

I guess for millionaire hockey players it’s because they usually like to golf. They also usually maintain a second him in Canada or Minnesota or wherever. They like to spend hockey season in Arizona and the summer “back home”. Nightlife probably doesn’t factor in too much, I would think. They probably like that they can have a second home for a reasonable price with a low cost of livening, all-winter golfing and some other appealing factors.

It’s different when you’re rich. You and I get to choose one place to live. And that place has to factor in a budget. I think any NHL city would be a great place to be a rich person. For whatever reason, Phoenix/Scottsdale seems to be pretty popular among rich people with a ton of free time. I can’t really explain it, but it’s common enough to accept and not be baffled by.

 

[mercury]

I was born and raised in Phoenix. I still live in Phoenix. It’s a resort town. I don’t love resort towns. I’d prefer not to live in a resort town. I’m sure that, like you, I’d prefer Philadelphia (though I’ve never been there). I also don’t like the heat. I’m not big on Phoenix.

And being a resort town is fine. But acting as if a town like that is a huge metropolis with tons of things do isn't right.

A lot of people seem to love it. People move to Phoenix in droves. Pro athletes seem to love it too. So many seem like to retire in Phoenix. Make their lives in Phoenix after the age of 35 or 40 (which is a funny retirement age). So I guess there’s something to it.

I get the golf thing, although the Delaware Valley has some of the best golf courses in the country, including Pine Valley (often ranked #1 in the world, although mere mortals never get to play it). And I don't mind some heat. 8-9 months out of the year, LA is way nicer than Philly, which is often either dreary or humid as shit. Older people can't stand the cold for whatever reason, which is funny because they usually are the first to die when there are dangerous heat waves. I think a lot of the movement to Sun Belt cities for younger people is economic opportunity, and there is something to be said for that. Also, the entire Valley of the Sun is kind of an affront to nature, and that also is kind of cool. I mean, Las Vegas is completely nonsensical as a major American city, but I actually enjoy it.

I guess for millionaire hockey players it’s because they usually like to golf. They also usually maintain a second him in Canada or Minnesota or wherever. They like to spend hockey season in Arizona and the summer “back home”. Nightlife probably doesn’t factor in too much, I would think. They probably like that they can have a second home for a reasonable price with a low cost of livening, all-winter golfing and some other appealing factors.

And that also makes sense. Spring Training in AZ and FL makes sense. The climate and surrounding terrain for the active outdoorsy types probably are great for 2/3rds of the year. But warm weather and nice topography =/= "things to do."

It’s different when you’re rich. You and I get to choose one place to live. And that place has to factor in a budget. I think any NHL city would be a great place to be a rich person. For whatever reason, Phoenix/Scottsdale seems to be pretty popular among rich people with a ton of free time. I can’t really explain it, but it’s common enough to accept and not be baffled by.

It obviously depends on the person, but in my experience, being rich is a little more fun in areas that are expensive for a reason. If you really don't have to worry about money ever, you can go to where things generally are more enjoyable. It's a spectrum. I don't have very much money, but the border with Beverly Hills is literally the end of my block. I can't imagine having millions of dollars and choosing somewhere without lots to do. Also, the restaurants in that area are not on par with those of the top places to eat. That is a big deal for me.