Confirmed Trade: [ARI/PHI] Shayne Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd, 2022 7th (STL) for future considerations

[captainpaxil]

Ghost was a guy I saw blooming again once he got out of Philly and I said that since his name came up for expansion.
Once the flyers acquired Ellis there wasn't room for two small offensive d in the top 4. Nevermind that he had his best year on the top pairing with provorov. Injuries played their part and the cap as well but as time goes on this deal that looked bad over the summer will only get worse

 

[Curufinwe]

Braun is playing much better this season than last, Risto is only playing because of Ellis's injury.

Incorrect. Seeler is only playing because of the injury to Ellis. He's getting 12 minutes a night at ES.

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[Curufinwe]

Bet Seattle wishes they took him for picks instead of giving Oleksiak that contract.

Also, Ottawa with Ghost + a 2nd > Ottawa with MDZ.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Guy has been apart of more than 50% of Arizona’s goals. The incompetence of NHL GM’s on this one is crazy.

 

[BAdvocate]

Only fair to mention Ristolainen showing last night why Fletcher was willing to pay and alienate a large portion of the Flyers fanbase to accommodate his desire to replace a high paid offensive dman with a high paid big bruising defensive dman.

And I'm not mentioning this because he had an assist.

 

[Curufinwe]

The trouble is they got 35 year old Keith Yandle in to take Ghost's role on the PP, and after a promising start his legs fell off after the first 5 games. Not only does he look super slow, he's falling over as well. I would not be surprised if he's playing thru an injury just to keep his dumb streak going.

 

[SwedishFire]

I think it was 2018 or something, Arizona exploded with toung talent as Max Domi, Keller, Fischer and Dvorak. They had multiple forward talwnt, with Chuchryn and OEL on the back end, whilst aquired Kessel. Something is really really off in the desert with wasting potential.

I still belive Domi, Fischer, Dvorak, Keller is rrally good talent, but this shows ghat not every team can draft themselfs out of misery.

Arizona had it all, and they blow it up. Why??

 

[Rebels57]

I think it was 2018 or something, Arizona exploded with toung talent as Max Domi, Keller, Fischer and Dvorak. They had multiple forward talwnt, with Chuchryn and OEL on the back end, whilst aquired Kessel. Something is really really off in the desert with wasting potential.

I still belive Domi, Fischer, Dvorak, Keller is rrally good talent, but this shows ghat not every team can draft themselfs out of misery.

Arizona had it all, and they blow it up. Why??

John Chayka happened.

 

[SwedishFire]

John Chayka happened.

He isnt the answer to that, he left because he probably saw something bad. HE actually drafted those guys

 

[Rebels57]

He isnt the answer to that, he left because he probably saw something bad. HE actually drafted those guys

Chayka was hired as GM one month before the 2016 Draft where Keller and Chychruyn were drafted. Safe to say those picks were made on the advice of the scouting department. He then proceeded to completely botch the next 3 drafts, then lose a 1st round pick due to tampering.

 

[Schemp]

Chayka was hired one month before the 2016 Draft where Keller and Chychruyn were drafted. Safe to say those picks were made on the advice of the scouting department with little input from Chayka. He then proceeded to completely botch the next 3 drafts, then lose a 1st round pick due to tampering.

Maloney let Chayka take over the draft on the 2nd day in 2015 (where Fischer was his 1st pick and Chayka wanted Fischer over Merkley on the 1st day).

 

[Rebels57]

Maloney let Chayka take over the draft on the 2nd day in 2015 (where Fischer was his 1st pick and Chayka wanted Fischer over Merkley on the 1st day).

Interesting. Any source for this?

Also doesn't excuse the 2017, 2018, and 2019 Drafts.

 

[Heldig]

I think it was 2018 or something, Arizona exploded with toung talent as Max Domi, Keller, Fischer and Dvorak. They had multiple forward talwnt, with Chuchryn and OEL on the back end, whilst aquired Kessel. Something is really really off in the desert with wasting potential.

I still belive Domi, Fischer, Dvorak, Keller is rrally good talent, but this shows ghat not every team can draft themselfs out of misery.

Arizona had it all, and they blow it up. Why??

Bad management and poor ownership.

Here's hoping they finally have good ownership ($) and good management.

Covid is messing with the $ part early on.

 

[mouser]

I think it was 2018 or something, Arizona exploded with toung talent as Max Domi, Keller, Fischer and Dvorak. They had multiple forward talwnt, with Chuchryn and OEL on the back end, whilst aquired Kessel. Something is really really off in the desert with wasting potential.

I still belive Domi, Fischer, Dvorak, Keller is rrally good talent, but this shows ghat not every team can draft themselfs out of misery.

Arizona had it all, and they blow it up. Why??

The answer is they didn’t have it all. Chayka acted as if the team was on the cusp of playoff success when they weren’t. Domi wanted out. Fischer is a bottom 6 forward with fringe 2nd line potential maybe. Dvorak is a #2/#3 center. Keller is a top 6 forward.

Perhaps the simplest summation answer is the team never had a true #1 center.

Chayka burned the 2017 and 2020 first round picks on short term trades. Lost the 2021 first for the testing violation.

The team wasn’t on the verge of success when Chayka left and the prospect cupboard was well below league average.

 

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Interesting thread:

 

[ManofSteel55]

Guy has been apart of more than 50% of Arizona’s goals. The incompetence of NHL GM’s on this one is crazy.

Yep. He is the poster boy for the entire "offensive defensemen have no value" narrative that goes around, so much so that he's the example people can point to of a guy who a team paid to get rid of despite the talent. And then he goes and makes that team look like fools for getting rid of him.

 

[Garbage Goal]

The NHL is not a meritocracy. There are people in charge who are abject morons.

Let’s not pretend like fans are any better either. On HF there’s been countless times where Ghost has had to be defended on the main board due to thoughtless stereotyping and being buried by a bad organization.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Yep. He is the poster boy for the entire "offensive defensemen have no value" narrative that goes around, so much so that he's the example people can point to of a guy who a team paid to get rid of despite the talent. And then he goes and makes that team look like fools for getting rid of him.

I assume you are trying to somehow assign the success that Gostisbehere has had to Barrie?
Are you saying that if he got away from the Oilers he would become a really good dman?

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

This has been such a brilliant piece of business for the Yotes. He'll get at least a 2nd when traded so they'll have gained the equivalent of a 1st round pick for absolutely no cost (bar salary for 1 year)

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Yotes using the cap space well.

Why sign ufas when you can get assets when taking on contracts that are UFA like haha.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I assume you are trying to somehow assign the success that Gostisbehere has had to Barrie?
Are you saying that if he got away from the Oilers he would become a really good dman?

Nope, just a general comment about all offensive defensemen that people suggest have no value.