Confirmed Trade: [ARI/CHI] Hossa, Hinostroza, Oesterle, 2019 3rd for Kruger, Entwistle, Maletta, Campbell, 2019 5th

[Channelcat]

And this is basically what I wrote in the Coyotes forum. I have lived here for 20 years now. this franchise is such an embarrassment. They have a collection of good young players but when it comes time to pay them they will be out the door.
there are so many issues with this organization and Chyka has done an amazing job dealing with what little resources he has. The guy is a virtual genius.

I'm not seeing it. In fact I have serious reservations about his intelligence. I guess the proof will be in the results.

 

[THE HOFF]

If I lived in Quebec I would be piping mad about my taxpayer money wasted on a fancy tomb that won't be used by an NHL team. Get angry at the city and province for wasting your money on a wish.

the building makes money and will pay itself regardless of the nordiques' return. Of course a hockey team would speed things up, but the biggest loser here is videotron and not the city or the government. pretty smart investment, actually. (to own the building, not the team)

 

[XX]

And this is basically what I wrote in the Coyotes forum. I have lived here for 20 years now. this franchise is such an embarrassment. They have a collection of good young players but when it comes time to pay them they will be out the door.

Just like OEL... oh wait.

 

[Taylorst]

We can both believe what we choose to believe.

I choose to believe that if his contract was still for 4 mil or 7.9 some how, some way, he would manage to get past this debilitating allergy and play hockey.

Facts matter, not fairy tales ! This guy even at his age if he could play would still be playing and very affective.

 

[Sam Spade]

Just like OEL... oh wait.

OEL has zero "compete" in his game so staying in Arizona was the perfect choice for him. Get paid a ton, play in anonymity, the vast majority of the time be off from April to mid-September.

 

[Sam Spade]

Facts matter, not fairy tales ! This guy even at his age if he could play would still be playing and very affective.

You don't know that anymore than I know he just doesn't want to deal with the hassle anymore for such a small amount of money.

Guy played 19 seasons, 500 goals, 1000 points, won three Cups, made tons of cash, he's going to the Hall of Fame one day, what exactly is his incentive, at 39 years old last season, to come back to the grind of the NHL for basically peanuts?

 

[Taylorst]

You don't know that anymore than I know he just doesn't want to deal with the hassle anymore for such a small amount of money.

Guy played 19 seasons, 500 goals, 1000 points, won three Cups, made tons of cash, he's going to the Hall of Fame one day, what exactly is his incentive, at 39 years old last season, to come back to the grind of the NHL for basically peanuts?

Wow it's funny how you can jump to that conclusion that he conjured up a phony injury all to avoid playing hockey a game of which he has played 19 seasons , won 3 Stanley cups , is still very affective at it and loves the game.

Are you his neighbor whom has some inside knowledge that , the hawks and the league are unaware of ? Do you have a PERRY MASON MOMENT ? Please at this point stop with the ignorance it really makes you look small, petty and foolish.

 

[Sam Spade]

Wow it's funny how you can jump to that conclusion that he conjured up a phony injury all to avoid playing hockey a game of which he has played 19 seasons , won 3 Stanley cups , is still very affective at it and loves the game.

Are you his neighbor whom has some inside knowledge that , the hawks and the league are unaware of ? Do you have a PERRY MASON MOMENT ? Please at this point stop with the ignorance it really makes you look small, petty and foolish.

And I think your point of view makes you look naive.

I am not jumping to conclusions about it being a "phoney" injury I am saying that, legit or not, for his entire career he did what he had to do but oddly enough for 1 mil in salary it simply wasn't worth playing through it anymore. Why is that so unbelievable?

 

[Slyfox]

Chayka is a great GM. Using his cap space effectively while adding players who are primed to breakout is what every rebuilding team should be doing. Instead, we have rebuilding teams overpaying for veteran presence on their third and fourth lines. I don't know why people are calling Hinostroza a tweener or a third line player when all the stats point to a player who is a lot better than his stats point to. We all saw what Vegas did with players who were stuck on the third and fourth lines (Karlsson, Haula, Tuch etc.) Now it can't happen to Hinostroza?

 

[rt]

I understand that Hossa gets paid regardless of whether it's 1 mil or 7.9 mil, but on LTIR you get the money in an entirely different way as a large portion is paid out by the insurance company and they pay when they want to pay as opposed to getting your regular check twice a month.

Which is really tough when you’re living paycheck to paycheck and struggling to put food on the table. I hope he doesn’t end up entangled with one of those payday loans places.

 

[FerrisRox]

We can both believe what we choose to believe.

I choose to believe that if his contract was still for 4 mil or 7.9 some how, some way, he would manage to get past this debilitating allergy and play hockey.

But you also need to believe, for the above to be true, that the Blackhawks, NHL *and* the insurance company that is paying the bill are all conspiring together to commit insurance fraud.

To be totally clear - you believe that the insurance company is either defrauding itself - or that the NHL and Blackhawks have somehow managed to make a fraudulent cause so convincing it duped the insurance companies medical staff and they are now paying out millions of dollars.

What you are suggesting, with all due respect, is absolutely idiotic.

Do you really want to double down on this sophomoric take on the situation or do you want to take a few minutes and really think about what you are suggesting and perhaps concede you were wrong on this point?

I find it impossible to believe that you truly think this is a major million dollar conspiracy that is being carried out where the National Hockey League and a major insurance company are somehow complicit in order to help - for no clear reason - the Chicago Blackhawks.

 

[azcanuck]

Some of those young players will end up staying and some will go. Happens on every team in the league.

Some of the young players in the past were shown the door because either...

a) They couldn’t hack it at the NHL level.
b) They has attitude/coach-ability issues.
c). The team had a chance for a better player in return.

Again.... happens all over the league.

Okay whatever you say.
Kyle Turris was traded for a bag of pucks.
Blake Wheeler wasn't signed because he had zero faith in this organization. This is just two guys off the top of my head.

You cant let two assets like that walk with no return. Sets your franchise back years.

 

[azcanuck]

What players are you referring to? Which young players were shown the door with this ownership?

Well the ownership here turns over faster then a bad restaurant.

Lets see if this one is more serious. Signing OEL is a good start. Lets see.

 

[FerrisRox]

I am not jumping to conclusions about it being a "phoney" injury I am saying that, legit or not, for his entire career he did what he had to do but oddly enough for 1 mil in salary it simply wasn't worth playing through it anymore. Why is that so unbelievable?

Because it's contradictory to what has been said by medical doctors? Are you even aware of the details of his case? Why would you ramble on authoritatively about a subject you know nothing about?

 

[Rick C137]

But you also need to believe, for the above to be true, that the Blackhawks, NHL *and* the insurance company that is paying the bill are all conspiring together to commit insurance fraud.

To be totally clear - you believe that the insurance company is either defrauding itself - or that the NHL and Blackhawks have somehow managed to make a fraudulent cause so convincing it duped the insurance companies medical staff and they are now paying out millions of dollars.

What you are suggesting, with all due respect, is absolutely idiotic.

Do you really want to double down on this sophomoric take on the situation or do you want to take a few minutes and really think about what you are suggesting and perhaps concede you were wrong on this point?

I find it impossible to believe that you truly think this is a major million dollar conspiracy that is being carried out where the National Hockey League and a major insurance company are somehow complicit in order to help - for no clear reason - the Chicago Blackhawks.

Thank you for using logic in regards to Hossas situation. This should honestly be pinned to the top of any Hossa thread.

It’s mind blowing that there’s really people that think an outside insurance company is going to swallow 200k a year for 4 years just to help the Blackhawks.

Yes it’s convienent that he walked at the year his salary dropped to a million but so what? By all accounts he was playing with this for awhile and probably decided it wasn’t worth it anymore for his long term health. That’s well within his right.

And if this was some massive conspiracy.... wouldn’t they have used one of his countless back/head injuries as the out instead of making up a skin disease that can EASILY be proven wrong?

Nothing about this being a coverup/conspiracy makes any kind of sense outside of it being a little fishy that he walked the year his salary dropped but that won’t stop the tin foil hat crowd from doing what they do.

Edit - and none of this even takes into account that he was damn good in his last year here. 26 goals while playing Selke level defense. Why would the Blackhawks not want that to return... AND THEN NOT EVEN USE THE CAP SPACE ON ANYTHING.

 

[tuxonpups]

Just finished 25 pages and I think I got it. Hossa faked the itchies so he could move to Arizona and help them artificially hit the cap floor, same as when they took Datsyuk's contract for Jeff Chychrun. And Hinostroza is a middle six 4th line wing poised to break out as a tweener, right?

 

[Kahvi]

Because it's contradictory to what has been said by medical doctors? Are you even aware of the details of his case? Why would you ramble on authoritatively about a subject you know nothing about?

And allergies can just happen. I wrote my own experiences here earlier: first 20 years or so of life without problems, then suddenly an allergy to a stuff I'd been in contact all the time during those 20 years without problems.

 

[FerrisRox]

And allergies can just happen. I wrote my own experiences here earlier: first 20 years or so of life without problems, then suddenly an allergy to a stuff I'd been in contact all the time during those 20 years without problems.

You are making the same point I am.

 

[TheLegend]

Okay whatever you say.
Kyle Turris was traded for a bag of pucks.
Blake Wheeler wasn't signed because he had zero faith in this organization. This is just two guys off the top of my head.

You cant let two assets like that walk with no return. Sets your franchise back years.

You picked two of the most glaring examples that support my point.

Turris wanted out over playing time... he was a Gretzky “firehouse hockey” type who refused to adapt to Dave Tippett’s 200 foot rigid system.... if you had read the team forum enough at that time you’d know that. He became so toxic to the team that it turned Shane Doan against him. Guys like that who want out and then pull a holdout tantrum like the one Turris pulled deflate their own trade value.

Wheeler wanted to be in a big market and giant pay day out of the box. Had nothing to do with the team itself.

You really think it’s worth keeping two toxic entities like that in your room???

 

[TLEH]

Hinostroza could score 20 goals next season, fairly easily.

 

[azcanuck]

You picked two of the most glaring examples that support my point.

Turris wanted out over playing time... he was a Gretzky “firehouse hockey” type who refused to adapt to Dave Tippett’s 200 foot rigid system.... if you had read the team forum enough at that time you’d know that. He became so toxic to the team that it turned Shane Doan against him. Guys like that who want out and then pull a holdout tantrum like the one Turris pulled deflate their own trade value.

Wheeler wanted to be in a big market and giant pay day out of the box. Had nothing to do with the team itself.

You really think it’s worth keeping two toxic entities like that in your room???

And you prove my point and then some. Good young players look to the future and see a crap franchise and want to move on.
If we were not a Mickey Mouse franchise we could still have both those guys.
Hopefully this new version of ownership does things like sign OEL and if we get a new arena (revenue) we can turn this around.
Lots of ifs.

 

[hbk]

And you prove my point and then some. Good young players look to the future and see a crap franchise and want to move on.
If we were not a Mickey Mouse franchise we could still have both those guys.
Hopefully this new version of ownership does things like sign OEL and if we get a new arena (revenue) we can turn this around.
Lots of ifs.

We waited too long to sign Wheeler. That was the issue. Of course we waited because quite frankly he was a massive project pick who struggled for three years post draft. He didn’t show life as a prospect until he was months away from being a unrestricted free agent. Maloney misplayed his hand. If he had signed him the year prior we would likely still have him as a player.

Turris wanted things handed to him before he was physically able to handle it. He forced his way out and it was as much about not believing a bankrupt team would be ever able to pay him. I still think he was a dink but I get why he made that call. He wasn’t getting spoon fed the minutes he felt he needed to get that big contract.

Honestly I think this says so much about the pratfalls of the nhl draft and taking players who are long-term projects. Strome falls into the Turris (needs to just physically mature) model where he’s not getting handed the prime slot that his draft position would seem to indicate. Wheeler was such a late bloomer that we’ve run out of people to fire for his selection in the first place. He’s an outlier of epic proportions. We are complaining about a player in Strome who flat out dominated the AHL for much of last year. Wheeler was a bottom six player in the NCAA three years after his draft.

 

[BHD]

Closing this since we're waaay off-topic.