Post-Game Talk: Another Point down the drain (2-1 OT Loss to Avs)

[The 29th Pick]

Bernier is approaching Yakupov levels of defensive incompetence. At what point do you look at his +/- in comparison to his teammates and conclude "hey, maybe this guy is a problem?"

the fact he has played every game this year and never watched from the press box is all I need to know about Pete's decisions

 

[HunteDxEntitY]

Guess who was on the ice for GWG? Salvador.

 

[glenwo2]

Guess who was defending a 1-0 lead with 3 minutes late?

The 4th line.

Sure Sal blew it but it should never have come to that if our TOP LINE(our real one) was out there because if they were, Sal would be on the bench.

 

[stevenwoj]

No Man's Land

Guess who was on the ice for GWG? Salvador.

Totally agree, he got lost in no man's land on the GWG. He left a guy that was in close to try and block a shot. It seems to be an epidemic on this team, trying to block shots instead of preventing a pass and letting the goal stop the shot. I put that on the coaches, not just DeBoer, all of them.
It also bugs me that this team has two different offensive philosophy's, one when the Jagr line is out, and one for everyone else. Jagr's line controls the puck down low and gets their scoring chances from cycling. The other three lines tend to cycle once, get it to the point and then look for the tip or rebound. The second one just ins't a philosophy to me, it's a close your eyes and hope strategy.

 

[SeidoN]

Bob Waterman ‏@esbbob 17m

Devils are 2nd team in NHL history to allow a tying goal in last 2:00 of 3rd period in 3 straight games (Flames in Nov. 1989).

 

[njdevil26]

Guess who was on the ice for GWG? Salvador.

Guess who was on the ice for the GTG? Harrold!

 

[liquid1988]

Guess who was on the ice for GWG? Salvador.

Truth right here. I still cannot believe he has a C on his shirt. He shows NO leadership skills on and off the ice. It was obvious from last nights game that Jagr was attempting to take control over the game and his teammates which I'm fine with. Although Salvador actually looked half decent defensively last night, that does NOT make up for the rest of his season of slacking and living in a dream world.

 

[NC107*]

I disagree. I think we have plenty of talent. Do we have the best team in the world moving forward a year or two from now? Probably not. But we should be fine this year.

Manage the roster correctly and then we can talk about how all of this is Lou's fault.

I don't think the 4th line has much talent. The 3rd line only Elias has both way talent. So I disagree .

 

[Jossipov]

This still bothers me....How the hell does this happen?
No where else does that not go in.


And why did they blow the whistle? He never had the puck.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I don't think the 4th line has much talent. The 3rd line only Elias has both way talent. So I disagree .

The fourth line has plenty of talent - when they are being used as a fourth line instead of third. Apparently Pete trusts Bernier and his -15 a lot more in the last 5 minutes of the game than his other three lines.

Elias has way more talent than the average third liner. Brunner and Loktionov are just fine on the third line. No idea what you are talking about.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

I don't think the 4th line has much talent. The 3rd line only Elias has both way talent. So I disagree .

You're not going to have talent top to bottom on every single line. That's a luxury that maybe one team in the league has. In the cap era, you're going to have weaknesses.

Our top line is solid. Clowe-Henrique-Ryder is also solid. Both of those lines are a very capable one-two when they're going right. The Elias line is a work in progress, primarily, because it took Deboer three thousand years to figure out that Elias + Gionta or Bernier = suck.

With Loktionov that line has buzzed quite well. Check out the passing and shot metrics (http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2014/2/...shville-predators-zone-exit-and-passing-stats) from their first game together. Loktionov generated the most shots for his linemates. And their possession and passing was superb. I'm waiting for the numbers from last night to go up.

Oh and you want talent on the fourth line? Well you have Josefson scratched, Tedenby on the Moon, Boucher in Albany in favor of garbage. You have Salvador playing over Larsson.

The coach is not maximizing the talent. The players are not the problem.

 

[NJDevs26]

Bob Waterman ‏@esbbob 17m

Devils are 2nd team in NHL history to allow a tying goal in last 2:00 of 3rd period in 3 straight games (Flames in Nov. 1989).

I'm shocked there was actually a first team. Unless it was the Panthers a few years back, then I wouldn't have been shocked.

 

[RNCDevil]

I think this team has a ton of talent. It's just old. Without talent and determination this season would be worse.

 

[rtr1105]

Bernier has been the worst forward on the team this year. At least Gionta plays well defensively and in my opinion, brings more energy than Bernier. I'd rather see Josefson centering Carter and Gionta. It's ridiculous that we actually hae pretty good depth at center but choose to put worthless bums there. I don't see what's so hard about using Zajac, Henrique, Loktionov, and Josefson at center, and Elias when need be.

And I'll give credit where it's due. Harrold had an alright game yesterday. Not good, not bad. But the fact that he plays while Larsson AND Gelinas rot in the AHL is beyond me. I don't mind Harrold at all as a 7D. But anything more than that is no good.

My ideal D pairs would be (with everyone healthy):
Greene-Fayne
Gelinas-Larsson
Volchenkov-Zidlicky
Salvador/Harrold as our 7th D. Either trade Sal or launch Harrold into outer space. We obviously don't need both. Anyways, the top 2 pairs have chemistry, and we have 4 defensively responsible guys in that lineup, with at least one on each pair.

 

[CKPLAYA]

You're not going to have talent top to bottom on every single line. That's a luxury that maybe one team in the league has. In the cap era, you're going to have weaknesses.

Our top line is solid. Clowe-Henrique-Ryder is also solid. Both of those lines are a very capable one-two when they're going right. The Elias line is a work in progress, primarily, because it took Deboer three thousand years to figure out that Elias + Gionta or Bernier = suck.

With Loktionov that line has buzzed quite well. Check out the passing and shot metrics (http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2014/2/...shville-predators-zone-exit-and-passing-stats) from their first game together. Loktionov generated the most shots for his linemates. And their possession and passing was superb. I'm waiting for the numbers from last night to go up.

Oh and you want talent on the fourth line? Well you have Josefson scratched, Tedenby on the Moon, Boucher in Albany in favor of garbage. You have Salvador playing over Larsson.

The coach is not maximizing the talent. The players are not the problem.

Have you actually looked at what these guys you mentioned above have done this year? You throw these guys around like they studs. This list is basically a who's who of non descript low end players. I guess because they are Devils you have a vested interest in them because you follow them but c'mon. Take the homer glasses off. Josefson, tedenby, Boucher, Lokitnov (and his 9 points) Henrique, Clowe. Really. You are so way off in your evaluation of this team. One interesting stat, as well as Jags has played, he might have 6 goals over the last 30 games and I think Elias is close to the same. I know he was injured but the still. just a brutal roster.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Have you actually looked at what these guys you mentioned above have done this year? You throw these guys around like they studs. This list is basically a who's who of non descript low end players. I guess because they are Devils you have a vested interest in them because you follow them but c'mon. Take the homer glasses off. Josefson, tedenby, Boucher, Lokitnov (and his 9 points) Henrique, Clowe. Really. You are so way off in your evaluation of this team. One interesting stat, as well as Jags has played, he might have 6 goals over the last 30 games and I think Elias is close to the same. I know he was injured but the still. just a brutal roster.

We just disagree on cause and effect. I think those players would have looked a lot lot better under a competent coach. That is our disconnect.

 

[Bleedred]

Bob Waterman ‏@esbbob 17m

Devils are 2nd team in NHL history to allow a tying goal in last 2:00 of 3rd period in 3 straight games (Flames in Nov. 1989).

Let's go for four in a row so we can break yet another record with dumbeor behind the bench! We've already broke the team record apparently!

 

[tycobb]

That 1988-89 Flames team won the ****ing cup.

 

[SeidoN]

That 1989 Flames team won the ****ing cup.

November 1989 makes it the 1989-1990 team. so the Oilers did

and even if they had, so ****ing what, you really think we can?

maximum Kool-Aid

 

[tycobb]

November 1989 makes it the 1989-1990 team. so the Oilers did

and even if they had, so ****ing what, you really think we can?

maximum Kool-Aid

My bad. The point is that losing that way has nothing to do with the quality of the team and everything thing to do with bad luck.

 

[SeidoN]

My bad. The point is that losing that way has nothing to do with the quality of the team and everything thing to do with bad luck.

no no no come on now

you cannot be blaming luck on the last three games? we choked a three game winning streak away. 1 choke is bad luck. 2 in a row is poor. 3 times straight.... I mean it literally hasnt been done in almost 25 years

 

[tycobb]

no no no come on now

you cannot be blaming luck on the last three games? we choked a three game winning streak away. 1 choke is bad luck. 2 in a row is poor. 3 times straight.... I mean it literally hasnt been done in almost 25 years

Did you watch the last three games? Other than last night they all where caused by fluke game tying goals.

Nashville the shot went off Jagr stick directly across the ice to the tape of some shooter with a wide open net.

Dallas the shot went in after a scramble in the middle where Volch (not knowing where the puck was) kicked the puck directly to Seguin.

Last night was a poor finally 5 minutes, but whatever this roster is pretty damn poor and we are going to lose lots of close games.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Pete just finished saying "after it happens 3 times it's no longer bad luck."

 

[Chessarmy]

They're going to go on a run post-Olympic break, book it.

 

[glenwo2]

This still bothers me....How the hell does this happen?
No where else does that not go in.


And why did they blow the whistle? He never had the puck.

Agreed.

That should've been goal 699 for Jagr.

Very frustrating.